Why Windows "Vista"???

FRSNK wrote:

> I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to name
> their next operating system... I can understand the analogy between
> the meaning of the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the
> sales premise... but why choosing a non-english word ?



"Vista" *is* an English word (as a glance at almost any English dictionary
will show), although it comes to us from the Italian, and ultimately from
Latin.

Why did Microsoft choose it? They don't confide in me, but it's likely that
the intent is to suggest that it opens up new vistas for its users.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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FRSNK

You are completely missing the real point here.. why has a US company,
sporting a name whose first part is of Greek origin suddenly going west and
using Latin origin names for the operating systems?.. what are they
thinking.. and to add insult to injury, Coventry City beat Tottenham Hotspur
to take the FA Cup in 1987..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"FRSNK" <creonte2001 (at) hotmail (dot) com> wrote in message
news:eZ4czUZOGHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hello everybody..!!!
>
> I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to name their
> next operating system... I can understand the analogy between the meaning
> of
> the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the sales premise... but
> why
> choosing a non-english word ? Nothing against that choice (spanish is my
> mother tongue)... but was just wondering how come Microsoft did not choose
> another word from French or I don't know... German.. (lol)...
>
> Actually... I was also wondering... what about changing the name of the OS
> for the different markets?? LOL.. It would give something like "Fenêtres
> de
> Microsoft" for the French Market... or "Ventanas de Microsoft" for the
> spanish/latinamerican market.... and what about "Fenêtres Vista"???? Don't
> you think it's a nice combination?? ;o)
>
> Regards,
>
> FRSNK
>
>
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Because DOS has already been used.

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JaReD


"FRSNK" <creonte2001 (at) hotmail (dot) com> wrote in message
news:eZ4czUZOGHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hello everybody..!!!
>
> I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to name their
> next operating system... I can understand the analogy between the meaning
of
> the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the sales premise... but
why
> choosing a non-english word ? Nothing against that choice (spanish is my
> mother tongue)... but was just wondering how come Microsoft did not choose
> another word from French or I don't know... German.. (lol)...
>
> Actually... I was also wondering... what about changing the name of the OS
> for the different markets?? LOL.. It would give something like "Fenêtres
de
> Microsoft" for the French Market... or "Ventanas de Microsoft" for the
> spanish/latinamerican market.... and what about "Fenêtres Vista"???? Don't
> you think it's a nice combination?? ;o)
>
> Regards,
>
> FRSNK
>
>
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Well.. Vista has NOT an english origin... It comes from a latin root...from
the late latin (to be more specific): vista or visitus (from the irregular
verb from)... So yes... you use it in english... but it's NOT an
english-origined word...

"DP" <dennispersica DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>
> "FRSNK" <creonte2001 (at) hotmail (dot) com> wrote in message
> news:eZ4czUZOGHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to name
their
> > next operating system... I can understand the analogy between the
meaning
> > of
> > the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the sales premise... but
> > why
> > choosing a non-english word ?
>
>
> Vista IS an english word. Even though it may have roots in other
languages,
> it's one that's used in English as well, as in "Computers have opened a
new
> vista for the mind."
>
>
>
>
>
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FRSNK wrote:

> Well.. Vista has NOT an english origin... It comes from a latin
> root...from the late latin (to be more specific): vista or visitus
> (from the irregular verb from)... So yes... you use it in english...
> but it's NOT an english-origined word...


Sure, but so what?

With very few exceptions, almost all words in English come from non-English
roots. If I remember correctly, something like 40% of the modern English
vocabulary comes from Romance (Latin in origin) roots, and most of the rest
come from German.

":Vista" is no different in that respect than many *thousands* of other
English words. To take but a single example from the first sentence of your
message above, the word "origin" comes from a Latin word.

The same is true (with different languages and percentages of the roots) in
all other languages. All languages evolve from earlier languages, and all
languages borrow words from other languages.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


> "DP" <dennispersica DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> tdMLf.4074$eQ3.80@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "FRSNK" <creonte2001 (at) hotmail (dot) com> wrote in message
>> news:eZ4czUZOGHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to
>>> name their next operating system... I can understand the analogy
>>> between the meaning of
>>> the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the sales premise...
>>> but why
>>> choosing a non-english word ?
>>
>>
>> Vista IS an english word. Even though it may have roots in other
>> languages, it's one that's used in English as well, as in "Computers
>> have opened a new vista for the mind."
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MS says "names are derived from cities/locations in the world known for
great 'vistas'. The kinds of places we all want to see, experience and that
capture the imagination"


"FRSNK" <creonte2001 (at) hotmail (dot) com> wrote in message
news:uQPLeoZOGHA.428@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Well.. Vista has NOT an english origin... It comes from a latin
> root...from
> the late latin (to be more specific): vista or visitus (from the irregular
> verb from)... So yes... you use it in english... but it's NOT an
> english-origined word...
>
> "DP" <dennispersica DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> tdMLf.4074$eQ3.80@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "FRSNK" <creonte2001 (at) hotmail (dot) com> wrote in message
>> news:eZ4czUZOGHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> > I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to name
> their
>> > next operating system... I can understand the analogy between the
> meaning
>> > of
>> > the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the sales premise... but
>> > why
>> > choosing a non-english word ?
>>
>>
>> Vista IS an english word. Even though it may have roots in other
> languages,
>> it's one that's used in English as well, as in "Computers have opened a
> new
>> vista for the mind."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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At glance at any Latin dictionary will allow you to understand that it is
NOT an english word... I mean, not in its origins... it comes from the
latest latin vulgaris...

Anyway... I was just trying to generate some polemic regarding the
modification of the corporate image of Microsoft through the change of the
name... I personally like it... was just trying to see what people think
about it..

FRSNK

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake.DeleteThis@this.is.an.invalid.domain> a écrit dans le message
de news: #K5JQqZOGHA.1124@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> FRSNK wrote:
>
> > I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to name
> > their next operating system... I can understand the analogy between
> > the meaning of the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the
> > sales premise... but why choosing a non-english word ?
>
>
>
> "Vista" *is* an English word (as a glance at almost any English dictionary
> will show), although it comes to us from the Italian, and ultimately from
> Latin.
>
> Why did Microsoft choose it? They don't confide in me, but it's likely
that
> the intent is to suggest that it opens up new vistas for its users.
>
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Why Windows "Vista"??? 

FRSNK wrote:

> At glance at any Latin dictionary will allow you to understand that
> it is NOT an english word... I mean, not in its origins...


Yes, as I said in the message you quoted below. It's directly from the
Italian "visto," the past participle of "vedere," which itself is from the
Latin "videre." And, although the dictionary I have here by my side doesn't
go back any further than that, the Latin "videre" is undoubtedly from a
still older word in the original Indo-European language. That adoption of
words from one language to another is the very nature of language. The point
I'm trying to make is that there is absolutely nothing unusual about "vista"
in this regard.


> it comes
> from the latest latin vulgaris...


As I said in another message, almost *all* English words have their roots
elsewhere The only way Microsoft could have chosen a word that started out
in English would have been to call it something like "Windows OK."

Even then, although "OK" is originally English, "Windows" itself isn't. It
comes from the Old Norse "vindauga."

There is simply no way to say anything more than a couple of words in
English--something like "OK, Coca-Cola"--without using words that are
non-English in origin. And again, the same is true of every other language.



> Anyway... I was just trying to generate some polemic regarding the
> modification of the corporate image of Microsoft through the change
> of the name... I personally like it... was just trying to see what
> people think about it..


I don't think about it at all, and really don't care what Microsoft calls
it.. It's just a marketing term, one which Microsoft apparently thinks will
drum up sales of their product. It's not descriptive, and has no real
meaning that relates to the product at all. The real name of the product,
under the hood, will be Windows 6.0, just as Windows 2000 is Windows 5.0,
and Windows XP is really Windows 5.1.

As far as I'm concerned, the name of the product has no importance. What's
important is what features it has and how well it works.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup



> FRSNK
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake RemoveThis @this.is.an.invalid.domain> a écrit dans le
> message de news: #K5JQqZOGHA.1124@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> FRSNK wrote:
>>
>>> I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to name
>>> their next operating system... I can understand the analogy between
>>> the meaning of the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the
>>> sales premise... but why choosing a non-english word ?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Vista" *is* an English word (as a glance at almost any English
>> dictionary will show), although it comes to us from the Italian, and
>> ultimately from Latin.
>>
>> Why did Microsoft choose it? They don't confide in me, but it's
>> likely that the intent is to suggest that it opens up new vistas for
>> its users.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>> Please reply to the newsgroup
 >> Stay informed about: Why Windows "Vista"??? 

Hey ... that's right... I was not doubting about the origins of the english
language... LOL... languages enrich themselves.. anyway.. this post was
not intented to create a polemic about the origins of the english... but
rather creating a forum (latin again!!! ;o)) about the new image that
Microsoft wants to project (not only from the choice of "Vista", but from a
visual point of view of the whole trademark image handling... (don't know if
I make myself clear..)

FRSNK

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake.DeleteThis@this.is.an.invalid.domain> a écrit dans le message
de news: #279t0ZOGHA.1028@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> FRSNK wrote:
>
> > Well.. Vista has NOT an english origin... It comes from a latin
> > root...from the late latin (to be more specific): vista or visitus
> > (from the irregular verb from)... So yes... you use it in english...
> > but it's NOT an english-origined word...
>
>
> Sure, but so what?
>
> With very few exceptions, almost all words in English come from
non-English
> roots. If I remember correctly, something like 40% of the modern English
> vocabulary comes from Romance (Latin in origin) roots, and most of the
rest
> come from German.
>
> ":Vista" is no different in that respect than many *thousands* of other
> English words. To take but a single example from the first sentence of
your
> message above, the word "origin" comes from a Latin word.
>
> The same is true (with different languages and percentages of the roots)
in
> all other languages. All languages evolve from earlier languages, and all
> languages borrow words from other languages.
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
> > "DP" <dennispersica.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> > tdMLf.4074$eQ3.80@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> >>
> >> "FRSNK" <creonte2001 (at) hotmail (dot) com> wrote in message
> >> news:eZ4czUZOGHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >>> I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to
> >>> name their next operating system... I can understand the analogy
> >>> between the meaning of
> >>> the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the sales premise...
> >>> but why
> >>> choosing a non-english word ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Vista IS an english word. Even though it may have roots in other
> >> languages, it's one that's used in English as well, as in "Computers
> >> have opened a new vista for the mind."
>
>
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IF I was a linux maniac... I would say that vista is all eye candy looks
and no real improvments...

This is of course false.. but you never should listen to linux maniacs
anyway.


"FRSNK" <creonte2001 (at) hotmail (dot) com> wrote in message
news:eZ4czUZOGHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hello everybody..!!!
>
> I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to name their
> next operating system... I can understand the analogy between the meaning
> of
> the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the sales premise... but
> why
> choosing a non-english word ? Nothing against that choice (spanish is my
> mother tongue)... but was just wondering how come Microsoft did not choose
> another word from French or I don't know... German.. (lol)...
>
> Actually... I was also wondering... what about changing the name of the OS
> for the different markets?? LOL.. It would give something like "Fenêtres
> de
> Microsoft" for the French Market... or "Ventanas de Microsoft" for the
> spanish/latinamerican market.... and what about "Fenêtres Vista"???? Don't
> you think it's a nice combination?? ;o)
>
> Regards,
>
> FRSNK
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Why Windows "Vista"??? 

> Hello everybody..!!!
>
> I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to name
> their next operating system... I can understand the analogy between the
> meaning of the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the sales
> premise... but why choosing a non-english word ? Nothing against that
> choice (spanish is my mother tongue)... but was just wondering how come
> Microsoft did not choose another word from French or I don't know...
> German.. (lol)...
>
> Actually... I was also wondering... what about changing the name of the
> OS for the different markets?? LOL.. It would give something like
> "Fenêtres de Microsoft" for the French Market... or "Ventanas de
> Microsoft" for the spanish/latinamerican market.... and what about
> "Fenêtres Vista"???? Don't you think it's a nice combination?? ;o)
>
> Regards,
>
> FRSNK

I don't see how you you can say that Vista is a non-English word, as it has
been used in English for longer than I can memory - & that's nearing 73
years. (Ask any keen amateur photographer)
Vista =The visual percept of a region; e.g. background, foreground, coast,
sideview, tableau etc.

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johnf
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>> Hello everybody..!!!
>>
>> I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to name
>> their next operating system... I can understand the analogy between the
>> meaning of the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the sales
>> premise... but why choosing a non-english word ? Nothing against that
>> choice (spanish is my mother tongue)... but was just wondering how come
>> Microsoft did not choose another word from French or I don't know...
>> German.. (lol)...
>>
>> Actually... I was also wondering... what about changing the name of the
>> OS for the different markets?? LOL.. It would give something like
>> "Fenêtres de Microsoft" for the French Market... or "Ventanas de
>> Microsoft" for the spanish/latinamerican market.... and what about
>> "Fenêtres Vista"???? Don't you think it's a nice combination?? ;o)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> FRSNK
>
> I don't see how you you can say that Vista is a non-English word, as it
> has been used in English for longer than I can memory - & that's
> nearing 73 years. (Ask any keen amateur photographer)
> Vista =The visual percept of a region; e.g. background, foreground,
> coast, sideview, tableau etc.
>
> --
> johnf

I answered your original post before reading the replies, which I think
adequately answer/set you straight.
"Methinks" you've opened a can of worms and have ducked for cover, or having
problems clearly translating your thoughts into words.

--

johnf
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"FRSNK" <creonte2001 (at) hotmail (dot) com> wrote in message
news:eZ4czUZOGHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hello everybody..!!!
>
> I was wondering... why does Microsoft chose the word "Vista" to name their
> next operating system... I can understand the analogy between the meaning
> of
> the word (in spanish and italian : "View") and the sales premise... but
> why
> choosing a non-english word ? Nothing against that choice (spanish is my
> mother tongue)... but was just wondering how come Microsoft did not choose
> another word from French or I don't know... German.. (lol)...
>
> Actually... I was also wondering... what about changing the name of the OS
> for the different markets?? LOL.. It would give something like "Fenêtres
> de
> Microsoft" for the French Market... or "Ventanas de Microsoft" for the
> spanish/latinamerican market.... and what about "Fenêtres Vista"???? Don't
> you think it's a nice combination?? ;o)
>
> Regards,
>
> FRSNK


Perhaps they thought the previous name of "Longhorn" would lead to
accusations of it being a load of bull***t.

Phian
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