Victim of software counterfeiting

Ah,
Nothing's permanent. That CAN be made to go away! Not just turned
off;GONE! But without it you won't be able to access new stuff from MS.

Microsoft just doesn't want you to know this. And they don't make it
easy;but it can be done.

P.S. KB905474 is the same thing-don't download it.
Jeff
"philo" <philo RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tompepper RemoveThis @mvps.invalid> wrote in message
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>> It's definitely from MS. Their new Windows Genuine Advantage Validation
>> Notification tool. Installs during the Automatic or Live Update, and
>> nags you forever.
>>
>
>
> According to Microsoft's website...the warning can just be turned off
>
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Hello,
This is my understanding concerning "Illegal" Microsoft OS and other
"Products".
1. Microsoft will allow security updates for "Illegal" OS.
2. "Notifier" at this point is voluntary. KB905474.
2a. Use manual updates not auto install, disregard installing KB905474.
3. Once installed cannot be removed using Control Panel - Add/Remove.
4. "Notifier" can be removed using the registry.
5. This will not change Microsoft viewing the OS and other "Products" as
"Illegal".
6. This does not stop the ability to use that "Illegal" OS on that unit.
Corrections and/or added information appreciated.

take care.
beamish.






"keyboardken" wrote:

> Hi Everyone.
> I have bought a secondhand machine running Win XP and there is
> an icon on the task bar that says " you may be a victim of
> software counterfeiting".
> When I right click on it says "validation failure, this copy of windows
> may not be genuine", and invites me to purchase another copy.
> As the machine was cheap, I didn't want to spend anymore on it, does
> anyone know how to remove these messages please.
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Victim of software counterfeiting 

Not nasty minded at all since all it is intended to do is prevent theft! I
don't really understand why you are not complaining to the person/retail
activity who sold you the computer. If you do not get the OS verified, you
will be blocked from Windows Update, etc.
Gene K
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Ah,
Voluntary if you know what you're looking for.
KB905474 still exhibits "spyware" characteristics as defined by MS own
definition of spyware!! Argument still stands. Spyware.
How many people know how/or even want to edit the registry?
Does MS follow its own definitions? Definitely not!! in regards to this
issue. Even try to coerce people into thinking that it is "high priority"!
Even if people do pay attention-closely; if you decide NOT to download it.;
a visually BRIGHT yellow module is on the updates page; WARNING you that you
chose not to download a "high" priority update; and "highly" reccommending
that you do install it or your computer may be at risk!! LOL At risk of not
being monitored every time you boot up; At risk of MS not being able to
track its software. Shall I go on? Legimate purchase of valid software is
one thing. Genuine Advantage Validation Tool serves that purpose well. If
you have an "illegal" copy of MS software; Genuine Advantage Validation Tool
will not allow access to any other "Genuine" MS software. Genuine Advantage
Notification; on the other hand;border's on harrassement. Ah but now a moot
point in the U.S.; as spying on legitimate customer's and citizen's is seen
as not only acceptable;but required!
Am not aware of a registry hack that will make that go away!


"beamish" <beamish.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1AC76B46-5BBE-41AC-BB9B-DDC1A785B2B5@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
> This is my understanding concerning "Illegal" Microsoft OS and other
> "Products".
> 1. Microsoft will allow security updates for "Illegal" OS.
> 2. "Notifier" at this point is voluntary. KB905474.
> 2a. Use manual updates not auto install, disregard installing KB905474.
> 3. Once installed cannot be removed using Control Panel - Add/Remove.
> 4. "Notifier" can be removed using the registry.
> 5. This will not change Microsoft viewing the OS and other "Products" as
> "Illegal".
> 6. This does not stop the ability to use that "Illegal" OS on that unit.
> Corrections and/or added information appreciated.
>
> take care.
> beamish.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "keyboardken" wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone.
>> I have bought a secondhand machine running Win XP and there is
>> an icon on the task bar that says " you may be a victim of
>> software counterfeiting".
>> When I right click on it says "validation failure, this copy of windows
>> may not be genuine", and invites me to purchase another copy.
>> As the machine was cheap, I didn't want to spend anymore on it, does
>> anyone know how to remove these messages please.
>>
>>
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Victim of software counterfeiting 

Oops,
Another person posted the same subject title in xp.newusers.
That's where the initial part of my answer was;sorry;however KB905474 IS
Spyware!
Jeff

"Jeff" <jeffwhat44.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ah,
> Voluntary if you know what you're looking for.
> KB905474 still exhibits "spyware" characteristics as defined by MS own
> definition of spyware!! Argument still stands. Spyware.
> How many people know how/or even want to edit the registry?
> Does MS follow its own definitions? Definitely not!! in regards to this
> issue. Even try to coerce people into thinking that it is "high priority"!
> Even if people do pay attention-closely; if you decide NOT to download
> it.; a visually BRIGHT yellow module is on the updates page; WARNING you
> that you chose not to download a "high" priority update; and "highly"
> reccommending that you do install it or your computer may be at risk!! LOL
> At risk of not being monitored every time you boot up; At risk of MS not
> being able to track its software. Shall I go on? Legimate purchase of
> valid software is one thing. Genuine Advantage Validation Tool serves that
> purpose well. If you have an "illegal" copy of MS software; Genuine
> Advantage Validation Tool will not allow access to any other "Genuine" MS
> software. Genuine Advantage Notification; on the other hand;border's on
> harrassement. Ah but now a moot point in the U.S.; as spying on legitimate
> customer's and citizen's is seen as not only acceptable;but required!
> Am not aware of a registry hack that will make that go away!
>
>
> "beamish" <beamish.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1AC76B46-5BBE-41AC-BB9B-DDC1A785B2B5@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>> This is my understanding concerning "Illegal" Microsoft OS and other
>> "Products".
>> 1. Microsoft will allow security updates for "Illegal" OS.
>> 2. "Notifier" at this point is voluntary. KB905474.
>> 2a. Use manual updates not auto install, disregard installing KB905474.
>> 3. Once installed cannot be removed using Control Panel - Add/Remove.
>> 4. "Notifier" can be removed using the registry.
>> 5. This will not change Microsoft viewing the OS and other "Products" as
>> "Illegal".
>> 6. This does not stop the ability to use that "Illegal" OS on that unit.
>> Corrections and/or added information appreciated.
>>
>> take care.
>> beamish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "keyboardken" wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone.
>>> I have bought a secondhand machine running Win XP and there is
>>> an icon on the task bar that says " you may be a victim of
>>> software counterfeiting".
>>> When I right click on it says "validation failure, this copy of windows
>>> may not be genuine", and invites me to purchase another copy.
>>> As the machine was cheap, I didn't want to spend anymore on it, does
>>> anyone know how to remove these messages please.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Victim of software counterfeiting 

> A bit nasty minded from Bill Gates however. As if he hasn't
> got enough money already.



Just because the owner of the local hamburger joint is rich doesn't mean he
has to "give" away his food - does it?

--
Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 >> Stay informed about: Victim of software counterfeiting 

Richard,
Point taken; however Genuine Advantage Validation Tool does the same
thing; help stop piracy;without being "spyware" ALMOST. Not being able to
easily remove software; No ADD/REMOVE option is borderline-at best. Pretty
much unremovable;to a majority of users; who either do not know how;or if
they do; care not to mess with the registry. So again, MS resorts to spyware
tactics over this issue. Any more justifiable because it's from MS? I think
not. Resorting to the same actions as disreputable "pirates" solves nothing.
In fact;to the contrary;will end up doing more harm to MS then good.

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> A bit nasty minded from Bill Gates however. As if he hasn't
>> got enough money already.
>
>
>
> Just because the owner of the local hamburger joint is rich doesn't mean
> he has to "give" away his food - does it?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Victim of software counterfeiting 

I have to wonder just how many people are finding out, much to their dismay,
that the operating system on their computer is not legal. They can turn in
the jerk who put it on his/her system and charged him/her for it - as if it
were a legal copy.

As far as easily removing WGA, now that would negate the whole point of
Microsoft doing what they are doing, wouldn't it?

An extremely rich man has the option of putting lo-jack in his Ferrari. He
doesn't have to allow anyone to steal it, just because he can easily afford
to purchase a replacement, or two.

Regardless of what anyone says, my feeling is that Microsoft has the right
to use WGA to ferret out the illegal copies. The user, when caught, has
options.

1. He can say to himself: I got away with it for five years. I guess I
will have to finally buy a copy of Windows XP.

2. He can - yes, really he can - start using an alternative if he is too
cheap to purchase a replacement for that which he has stolen.

3. He can try to find a way around WGA. But I would expect Microsoft to
counter at any time. If I were them, I would.

I have in my software closet multiple copies of every operating system
Microsoft released since DOS 6.0., as well as three different versions of
OS/2. I paid for each one of them. Added up, it would be in the thousands.
Do I hold it against Microsoft and IBM that I had to pay for what I wanted?
I'll let you guess on that, but I will gladly pay for Windows Vista when it
is released, because I "WANT" it.


--
Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Jeff" <jeffwhat44.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Richard,
> Point taken; however Genuine Advantage Validation Tool does the same
> thing; help stop piracy;without being "spyware" ALMOST. Not being able to
> easily remove software; No ADD/REMOVE option is borderline-at best. Pretty
> much unremovable;to a majority of users; who either do not know how;or if
> they do; care not to mess with the registry. So again, MS resorts to
> spyware tactics over this issue. Any more justifiable because it's from
> MS? I think not. Resorting to the same actions as disreputable "pirates"
> solves nothing. In fact;to the contrary;will end up doing more harm to MS
> then good.
>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Or6V$iegGHA.1856@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> A bit nasty minded from Bill Gates however. As if he hasn't
>>> got enough money already.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just because the owner of the local hamburger joint is rich doesn't mean
>> he has to "give" away his food - does it?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Victim of software counterfeiting 

In my opinion, you miss the point which is no more than an effort to prevent
plain theft. If you have any material possessions I presume you do exactly
the same or those things would soon disappear. Why criticize Microsoft for
trying to develope a method to prevent such occurences? EVERY company/person
in the world has a procedure/method to prevent theft. They are open with
that tool and it just ain't spyware. If your copy of Windows is legitimate
just exactly what is the problem? If folks want to know how to remove it
from their Computer, I am not going to waste time with them because the next
Windows Update they have it again. Too, I think some just want to be advised
how to work around that validation tool to hide a pirated version of Windows
which is a criminal act for both the advisor and originator in every place
in the USA and about every where else in this world. The conversation
originator, as I see it, has a problem only with the source who sold/donated
the Computer to him; not with me or you or Microsoft. If he/she actually
knew the OS copy was not legtimate, he/she will have to purchase a
legitimate copy eventually just like you and I in order to solve the
problem. The real world is still out there.
Gene K
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I can understand what you're saying but : Why did the S#%T hit the fan when
Sony got caught with their Rootkit??
Were they not just trying to keep people from copying CDs?
Clay

"Gene K" <nobody DeleteThis @nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> In my opinion, you miss the point which is no more than an effort to
> prevent plain theft. If you have any material possessions I presume you do
> exactly the same or those things would soon disappear. Why criticize
> Microsoft for trying to develope a method to prevent such occurences?
> EVERY company/person in the world has a procedure/method to prevent theft.
> They are open with that tool and it just ain't spyware. If your copy of
> Windows is legitimate just exactly what is the problem? If folks want to
> know how to remove it from their Computer, I am not going to waste time
> with them because the next Windows Update they have it again. Too, I think
> some just want to be advised how to work around that validation tool to
> hide a pirated version of Windows which is a criminal act for both the
> advisor and originator in every place in the USA and about every where
> else in this world. The conversation originator, as I see it, has a
> problem only with the source who sold/donated the Computer to him; not
> with me or you or Microsoft. If he/she actually knew the OS copy was not
> legtimate, he/she will have to purchase a legitimate copy eventually just
> like you and I in order to solve the problem. The real world is still out
> there.
> Gene K
>
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Oops,
I keep referring to Richard, sorry Richard.
my last 2 posts were in reply to Gene K.
Jeff
"Gene K" <nobody.RemoveThis@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> In my opinion, you miss the point which is no more than an effort to
> prevent plain theft. If you have any material possessions I presume you do
> exactly the same or those things would soon disappear. Why criticize
> Microsoft for trying to develope a method to prevent such occurences?
> EVERY company/person in the world has a procedure/method to prevent theft.
> They are open with that tool and it just ain't spyware. If your copy of
> Windows is legitimate just exactly what is the problem? If folks want to
> know how to remove it from their Computer, I am not going to waste time
> with them because the next Windows Update they have it again. Too, I think
> some just want to be advised how to work around that validation tool to
> hide a pirated version of Windows which is a criminal act for both the
> advisor and originator in every place in the USA and about every where
> else in this world. The conversation originator, as I see it, has a
> problem only with the source who sold/donated the Computer to him; not
> with me or you or Microsoft. If he/she actually knew the OS copy was not
> legtimate, he/she will have to purchase a legitimate copy eventually just
> like you and I in order to solve the problem. The real world is still out
> there.
> Gene K
>
 >> Stay informed about: Victim of software counterfeiting 

>
> Just because the owner of the local hamburger joint is rich doesn't mean
> he has to "give" away his food - does it?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>

I would say that he does have a social responsibility. So I disagree.
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