Delay changing channels

JW, thanks. That explains the delay, but is there anyway to speed this
process up? I mean if one is changing channels constantly, isn't there some
sort of "cached" info like that of IE for example. Not trying to be
difficult, but I want to make this as seamless as possible. If it can't be
done, this is something that definitly needs to be taken into consideration
for future versions of MCE.....

"JW" wrote:

> The delay is caused by MCE creating a new file in order to support a
> TimeShift buffer for the new channel and not actually starting to show the
> new file until it can sucessfully issue a write command to the newly created
> file.
>
> "DanDada" <DanDada.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1D8D927D-E7A4-4750-AD22-37F027372D03@microsoft.com...
> > Is there any way to avoid the delay when changing channels w/ MCE? There
> > is
> > a 1 second delay going from one channel to another which gets to be very
> > annoying when channel surfing. Does anyone have a workaround for this if
> > this is by design?
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Delay changing channels 

That's why media center wasn't really set up as a windowed tv viewer while
you do other things on the computer. MCE was originally designed as a single
box install home media device to Include photos, videos, cd collections, as
well as a glorified tivo. I understand the problem you are having right now,
my video input to my tv card comes from my tivo. Try fast forwarding thru
commercials with that delay in there. You pretty much have to guess, how many
seconds ahead of time, when to hit play again. Then you wait to see if you
went too far or not. Currently, as far as I know, there is no way to get rid
of the write ahead cache. Believe me, I have tired. You can increase it, but
3 seconds is the minimum. This is for the rewind feature of the dvr software
to work. Until Microsoft comes out with a way to disable that feature all
together, we will just have to wait for the card manufacturers to come out
with tv players that work with vista.

"DanDada" wrote:

> JW, thanks. That explains the delay, but is there anyway to speed this
> process up? I mean if one is changing channels constantly, isn't there some
> sort of "cached" info like that of IE for example. Not trying to be
> difficult, but I want to make this as seamless as possible. If it can't be
> done, this is something that definitly needs to be taken into consideration
> for future versions of MCE.....
>
> "JW" wrote:
>
> > The delay is caused by MCE creating a new file in order to support a
> > TimeShift buffer for the new channel and not actually starting to show the
> > new file until it can sucessfully issue a write command to the newly created
> > file.
> >
> > "DanDada" <DanDada.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:1D8D927D-E7A4-4750-AD22-37F027372D03@microsoft.com...
> > > Is there any way to avoid the delay when changing channels w/ MCE? There
> > > is
> > > a 1 second delay going from one channel to another which gets to be very
> > > annoying when channel surfing. Does anyone have a workaround for this if
> > > this is by design?
> >
> >
> >
 >> Stay informed about: Delay changing channels 

Out of curiosity, are you using a STB with your setup or analog cable
directly plugged in to the tuner card?

We've had this question come up before on the group and I'm not totally
convinced that it is the buffer causing the delay -- I have plain old analog
cable plugged right into the PC and I have virtually no delay when I surf.
The channel change at pretty much the same speed as when I am just watching
the cable directly. I think some of the delay is MCE getting the signal from
the remote, translating, and resending to the STB.
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida


"DanDada" <DanDada.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ED5D3A84-5D57-4787-9766-870E81E8E97D@microsoft.com...
> JW, thanks. That explains the delay, but is there anyway to speed this
> process up? I mean if one is changing channels constantly, isn't there
> some
> sort of "cached" info like that of IE for example. Not trying to be
> difficult, but I want to make this as seamless as possible. If it can't
> be
> done, this is something that definitly needs to be taken into
> consideration
> for future versions of MCE.....
>
> "JW" wrote:
>
>> The delay is caused by MCE creating a new file in order to support a
>> TimeShift buffer for the new channel and not actually starting to show
>> the
>> new file until it can sucessfully issue a write command to the newly
>> created
>> file.
>>
>> "DanDada" <DanDada.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1D8D927D-E7A4-4750-AD22-37F027372D03@microsoft.com...
>> > Is there any way to avoid the delay when changing channels w/ MCE?
>> > There
>> > is
>> > a 1 second delay going from one channel to another which gets to be
>> > very
>> > annoying when channel surfing. Does anyone have a workaround for this
>> > if
>> > this is by design?
>>
>>
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Delay changing channels 

dfeifer, thanks for the reply but i'm not sure we are talking about the same
thing. Did you respond to my post by mistake?

Jaime, your post is on point. I don't have a set top box, I hava an analog
cable, connected DIRECTLY to the tv tuner in my pc. The fact that you don't
get any type of delay really gives me some hope now! My cable signal is
split between my main TV (different room) and my TV Tuner. If i take the
cable and connect it directly to the tv tuner (ie. no splitte), it makes no
difference. What could the problem be???

Oh, what kind of TV Tuner do you have? Mine is an Emuzed Angel PCI. Could
it be a problem w/ this tuner?

"Jaime" wrote:

> Out of curiosity, are you using a STB with your setup or analog cable
> directly plugged in to the tuner card?
>
> We've had this question come up before on the group and I'm not totally
> convinced that it is the buffer causing the delay -- I have plain old analog
> cable plugged right into the PC and I have virtually no delay when I surf.
> The channel change at pretty much the same speed as when I am just watching
> the cable directly. I think some of the delay is MCE getting the signal from
> the remote, translating, and resending to the STB.
> --
> James
> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>
>
> "DanDada" <DanDada DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:ED5D3A84-5D57-4787-9766-870E81E8E97D@microsoft.com...
> > JW, thanks. That explains the delay, but is there anyway to speed this
> > process up? I mean if one is changing channels constantly, isn't there
> > some
> > sort of "cached" info like that of IE for example. Not trying to be
> > difficult, but I want to make this as seamless as possible. If it can't
> > be
> > done, this is something that definitly needs to be taken into
> > consideration
> > for future versions of MCE.....
> >
> > "JW" wrote:
> >
> >> The delay is caused by MCE creating a new file in order to support a
> >> TimeShift buffer for the new channel and not actually starting to show
> >> the
> >> new file until it can sucessfully issue a write command to the newly
> >> created
> >> file.
> >>
> >> "DanDada" <DanDada DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1D8D927D-E7A4-4750-AD22-37F027372D03@microsoft.com...
> >> > Is there any way to avoid the delay when changing channels w/ MCE?
> >> > There
> >> > is
> >> > a 1 second delay going from one channel to another which gets to be
> >> > very
> >> > annoying when channel surfing. Does anyone have a workaround for this
> >> > if
> >> > this is by design?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Delay changing channels 

I have a Hauppauge 150mce, which is what a lot of people use, and I don't
know if that affects it or not. As I said, this discussion has come up
before and most seem to think the second or two delay is inherent in the
system, but the way some have described it, they must be seeing much more
time between chaannels than I. As I said, when I flip channels, their is
only a very brief instant of blank screen. It's not as fast as an old TV
that didn't have all the filtering and cleanup circuitry that TVs have now,
but it really is no different delay than if I just have the TV running
directly from the cable.

BTW, I have my signal split with one directly into the coax on the TV and
one to the tuner. I have a Sempron 2600, 768M of RAM, a generic FX5200 video
card, and I use the nVidia DVD decoder. I don't know how much any of that
affects the delay in the system.
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida

"DanDada" <DanDada.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:903BEE04-B48B-46A5-AE40-D3398BE51729@microsoft.com...
> dfeifer, thanks for the reply but i'm not sure we are talking about the
> same
> thing. Did you respond to my post by mistake?
>
> Jaime, your post is on point. I don't have a set top box, I hava an
> analog
> cable, connected DIRECTLY to the tv tuner in my pc. The fact that you
> don't
> get any type of delay really gives me some hope now! My cable signal is
> split between my main TV (different room) and my TV Tuner. If i take the
> cable and connect it directly to the tv tuner (ie. no splitte), it makes
> no
> difference. What could the problem be???
>
> Oh, what kind of TV Tuner do you have? Mine is an Emuzed Angel PCI. Could
> it be a problem w/ this tuner?
>
> "Jaime" wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, are you using a STB with your setup or analog cable
>> directly plugged in to the tuner card?
>>
>> We've had this question come up before on the group and I'm not totally
>> convinced that it is the buffer causing the delay -- I have plain old
>> analog
>> cable plugged right into the PC and I have virtually no delay when I
>> surf.
>> The channel change at pretty much the same speed as when I am just
>> watching
>> the cable directly. I think some of the delay is MCE getting the signal
>> from
>> the remote, translating, and resending to the STB.
>> --
>> James
>> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>>
>>
>> "DanDada" <DanDada.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:ED5D3A84-5D57-4787-9766-870E81E8E97D@microsoft.com...
>> > JW, thanks. That explains the delay, but is there anyway to speed this
>> > process up? I mean if one is changing channels constantly, isn't there
>> > some
>> > sort of "cached" info like that of IE for example. Not trying to be
>> > difficult, but I want to make this as seamless as possible. If it
>> > can't
>> > be
>> > done, this is something that definitly needs to be taken into
>> > consideration
>> > for future versions of MCE.....
>> >
>> > "JW" wrote:
>> >
>> >> The delay is caused by MCE creating a new file in order to support a
>> >> TimeShift buffer for the new channel and not actually starting to show
>> >> the
>> >> new file until it can sucessfully issue a write command to the newly
>> >> created
>> >> file.
>> >>
>> >> "DanDada" <DanDada.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1D8D927D-E7A4-4750-AD22-37F027372D03@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Is there any way to avoid the delay when changing channels w/ MCE?
>> >> > There
>> >> > is
>> >> > a 1 second delay going from one channel to another which gets to be
>> >> > very
>> >> > annoying when channel surfing. Does anyone have a workaround for
>> >> > this
>> >> > if
>> >> > this is by design?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Delay changing channels 

Jaime, my system is just as beefy, if not more... 2 gigs ram, intel 4 dual
core pro, etc etc. Well, I guess I'll have to learn to live w/ the delay if
there is not setting that can be adjusted in the registry etc. Arite thanx!

"Jaime" wrote:

> I have a Hauppauge 150mce, which is what a lot of people use, and I don't
> know if that affects it or not. As I said, this discussion has come up
> before and most seem to think the second or two delay is inherent in the
> system, but the way some have described it, they must be seeing much more
> time between chaannels than I. As I said, when I flip channels, their is
> only a very brief instant of blank screen. It's not as fast as an old TV
> that didn't have all the filtering and cleanup circuitry that TVs have now,
> but it really is no different delay than if I just have the TV running
> directly from the cable.
>
> BTW, I have my signal split with one directly into the coax on the TV and
> one to the tuner. I have a Sempron 2600, 768M of RAM, a generic FX5200 video
> card, and I use the nVidia DVD decoder. I don't know how much any of that
> affects the delay in the system.
> --
> James
> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>
> "DanDada" <DanDada RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:903BEE04-B48B-46A5-AE40-D3398BE51729@microsoft.com...
> > dfeifer, thanks for the reply but i'm not sure we are talking about the
> > same
> > thing. Did you respond to my post by mistake?
> >
> > Jaime, your post is on point. I don't have a set top box, I hava an
> > analog
> > cable, connected DIRECTLY to the tv tuner in my pc. The fact that you
> > don't
> > get any type of delay really gives me some hope now! My cable signal is
> > split between my main TV (different room) and my TV Tuner. If i take the
> > cable and connect it directly to the tv tuner (ie. no splitte), it makes
> > no
> > difference. What could the problem be???
> >
> > Oh, what kind of TV Tuner do you have? Mine is an Emuzed Angel PCI. Could
> > it be a problem w/ this tuner?
> >
> > "Jaime" wrote:
> >
> >> Out of curiosity, are you using a STB with your setup or analog cable
> >> directly plugged in to the tuner card?
> >>
> >> We've had this question come up before on the group and I'm not totally
> >> convinced that it is the buffer causing the delay -- I have plain old
> >> analog
> >> cable plugged right into the PC and I have virtually no delay when I
> >> surf.
> >> The channel change at pretty much the same speed as when I am just
> >> watching
> >> the cable directly. I think some of the delay is MCE getting the signal
> >> from
> >> the remote, translating, and resending to the STB.
> >> --
> >> James
> >> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
> >>
> >>
> >> "DanDada" <DanDada RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ED5D3A84-5D57-4787-9766-870E81E8E97D@microsoft.com...
> >> > JW, thanks. That explains the delay, but is there anyway to speed this
> >> > process up? I mean if one is changing channels constantly, isn't there
> >> > some
> >> > sort of "cached" info like that of IE for example. Not trying to be
> >> > difficult, but I want to make this as seamless as possible. If it
> >> > can't
> >> > be
> >> > done, this is something that definitly needs to be taken into
> >> > consideration
> >> > for future versions of MCE.....
> >> >
> >> > "JW" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The delay is caused by MCE creating a new file in order to support a
> >> >> TimeShift buffer for the new channel and not actually starting to show
> >> >> the
> >> >> new file until it can sucessfully issue a write command to the newly
> >> >> created
> >> >> file.
> >> >>
> >> >> "DanDada" <DanDada RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1D8D927D-E7A4-4750-AD22-37F027372D03@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Is there any way to avoid the delay when changing channels w/ MCE?
> >> >> > There
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > a 1 second delay going from one channel to another which gets to be
> >> >> > very
> >> >> > annoying when channel surfing. Does anyone have a workaround for
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > if
> >> >> > this is by design?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Delay changing channels 

From what has been written, I doubt that much of the delay is due
to processing speed.

For *directly* tuned channels (not STB setups), I'd be willing to bet
that it is a function of the tuner's response time, not the *system*.

-michael


DanDada wrote:
> Jaime, my system is just as beefy, if not more... 2 gigs ram, intel 4 dual
> core pro, etc etc. Well, I guess I'll have to learn to live w/ the delay if
> there is not setting that can be adjusted in the registry etc. Arite thanx!
>
> "Jaime" wrote:
>
>
>>I have a Hauppauge 150mce, which is what a lot of people use, and I don't
>>know if that affects it or not. As I said, this discussion has come up
>>before and most seem to think the second or two delay is inherent in the
>>system, but the way some have described it, they must be seeing much more
>>time between chaannels than I. As I said, when I flip channels, their is
>>only a very brief instant of blank screen. It's not as fast as an old TV
>>that didn't have all the filtering and cleanup circuitry that TVs have now,
>>but it really is no different delay than if I just have the TV running
>>directly from the cable.
>>
>>BTW, I have my signal split with one directly into the coax on the TV and
>>one to the tuner. I have a Sempron 2600, 768M of RAM, a generic FX5200 video
>>card, and I use the nVidia DVD decoder. I don't know how much any of that
>>affects the delay in the system.
>>--
>>James
>>Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>>
>>"DanDada" <DanDada RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>news:903BEE04-B48B-46A5-AE40-D3398BE51729@microsoft.com...
>>
>>>dfeifer, thanks for the reply but i'm not sure we are talking about the
>>>same
>>>thing. Did you respond to my post by mistake?
>>>
>>>Jaime, your post is on point. I don't have a set top box, I hava an
>>>analog
>>>cable, connected DIRECTLY to the tv tuner in my pc. The fact that you
>>>don't
>>>get any type of delay really gives me some hope now! My cable signal is
>>>split between my main TV (different room) and my TV Tuner. If i take the
>>>cable and connect it directly to the tv tuner (ie. no splitte), it makes
>>>no
>>>difference. What could the problem be???
>>>
>>>Oh, what kind of TV Tuner do you have? Mine is an Emuzed Angel PCI. Could
>>>it be a problem w/ this tuner?
>>>
>>>"Jaime" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Out of curiosity, are you using a STB with your setup or analog cable
>>>>directly plugged in to the tuner card?
>>>>
>>>>We've had this question come up before on the group and I'm not totally
>>>>convinced that it is the buffer causing the delay -- I have plain old
>>>>analog
>>>>cable plugged right into the PC and I have virtually no delay when I
>>>>surf.
>>>>The channel change at pretty much the same speed as when I am just
>>>>watching
>>>>the cable directly. I think some of the delay is MCE getting the signal
>>>>from
>>>>the remote, translating, and resending to the STB.
>>>>--
>>>>James
>>>>Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DanDada" <DanDada RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:ED5D3A84-5D57-4787-9766-870E81E8E97D@microsoft.com...
>>>>
>>>>>JW, thanks. That explains the delay, but is there anyway to speed this
>>>>>process up? I mean if one is changing channels constantly, isn't there
>>>>>some
>>>>>sort of "cached" info like that of IE for example. Not trying to be
>>>>>difficult, but I want to make this as seamless as possible. If it
>>>>>can't
>>>>>be
>>>>>done, this is something that definitly needs to be taken into
>>>>>consideration
>>>>>for future versions of MCE.....
>>>>>
>>>>>"JW" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The delay is caused by MCE creating a new file in order to support a
>>>>>>TimeShift buffer for the new channel and not actually starting to show
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>new file until it can sucessfully issue a write command to the newly
>>>>>>created
>>>>>>file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"DanDada" <DanDada RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:1D8D927D-E7A4-4750-AD22-37F027372D03@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is there any way to avoid the delay when changing channels w/ MCE?
>>>>>>>There
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>a 1 second delay going from one channel to another which gets to be
>>>>>>>very
>>>>>>>annoying when channel surfing. Does anyone have a workaround for
>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>this is by design?
 >> Stay informed about: Delay changing channels 

So does that mean the Emuzed Tuner is inferior in quality? Does anyone know
of any issues w/ Emuzed Tuners?????

"Michael J. Mahon" wrote:

> From what has been written, I doubt that much of the delay is due
> to processing speed.
>
> For *directly* tuned channels (not STB setups), I'd be willing to bet
> that it is a function of the tuner's response time, not the *system*.
>
> -michael
>
>
> DanDada wrote:
> > Jaime, my system is just as beefy, if not more... 2 gigs ram, intel 4 dual
> > core pro, etc etc. Well, I guess I'll have to learn to live w/ the delay if
> > there is not setting that can be adjusted in the registry etc. Arite thanx!
> >
> > "Jaime" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I have a Hauppauge 150mce, which is what a lot of people use, and I don't
> >>know if that affects it or not. As I said, this discussion has come up
> >>before and most seem to think the second or two delay is inherent in the
> >>system, but the way some have described it, they must be seeing much more
> >>time between chaannels than I. As I said, when I flip channels, their is
> >>only a very brief instant of blank screen. It's not as fast as an old TV
> >>that didn't have all the filtering and cleanup circuitry that TVs have now,
> >>but it really is no different delay than if I just have the TV running
> >>directly from the cable.
> >>
> >>BTW, I have my signal split with one directly into the coax on the TV and
> >>one to the tuner. I have a Sempron 2600, 768M of RAM, a generic FX5200 video
> >>card, and I use the nVidia DVD decoder. I don't know how much any of that
> >>affects the delay in the system.
> >>--
> >>James
> >>Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
> >>
> >>"DanDada" <DanDada DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>news:903BEE04-B48B-46A5-AE40-D3398BE51729@microsoft.com...
> >>
> >>>dfeifer, thanks for the reply but i'm not sure we are talking about the
> >>>same
> >>>thing. Did you respond to my post by mistake?
> >>>
> >>>Jaime, your post is on point. I don't have a set top box, I hava an
> >>>analog
> >>>cable, connected DIRECTLY to the tv tuner in my pc. The fact that you
> >>>don't
> >>>get any type of delay really gives me some hope now! My cable signal is
> >>>split between my main TV (different room) and my TV Tuner. If i take the
> >>>cable and connect it directly to the tv tuner (ie. no splitte), it makes
> >>>no
> >>>difference. What could the problem be???
> >>>
> >>>Oh, what kind of TV Tuner do you have? Mine is an Emuzed Angel PCI. Could
> >>>it be a problem w/ this tuner?
> >>>
> >>>"Jaime" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Out of curiosity, are you using a STB with your setup or analog cable
> >>>>directly plugged in to the tuner card?
> >>>>
> >>>>We've had this question come up before on the group and I'm not totally
> >>>>convinced that it is the buffer causing the delay -- I have plain old
> >>>>analog
> >>>>cable plugged right into the PC and I have virtually no delay when I
> >>>>surf.
> >>>>The channel change at pretty much the same speed as when I am just
> >>>>watching
> >>>>the cable directly. I think some of the delay is MCE getting the signal
> >>>>from
> >>>>the remote, translating, and resending to the STB.
> >>>>--
> >>>>James
> >>>>Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"DanDada" <DanDada DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:ED5D3A84-5D57-4787-9766-870E81E8E97D@microsoft.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>>JW, thanks. That explains the delay, but is there anyway to speed this
> >>>>>process up? I mean if one is changing channels constantly, isn't there
> >>>>>some
> >>>>>sort of "cached" info like that of IE for example. Not trying to be
> >>>>>difficult, but I want to make this as seamless as possible. If it
> >>>>>can't
> >>>>>be
> >>>>>done, this is something that definitly needs to be taken into
> >>>>>consideration
> >>>>>for future versions of MCE.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"JW" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>The delay is caused by MCE creating a new file in order to support a
> >>>>>>TimeShift buffer for the new channel and not actually starting to show
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>new file until it can sucessfully issue a write command to the newly
> >>>>>>created
> >>>>>>file.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"DanDada" <DanDada DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:1D8D927D-E7A4-4750-AD22-37F027372D03@microsoft.com...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Is there any way to avoid the delay when changing channels w/ MCE?
> >>>>>>>There
> >>>>>>>is
> >>>>>>>a 1 second delay going from one channel to another which gets to be
> >>>>>>>very
> >>>>>>>annoying when channel surfing. Does anyone have a workaround for
> >>>>>>>this
> >>>>>>>if
> >>>>>>>this is by design?
>
 >> Stay informed about: Delay changing channels 

It is not a function of the tuner it is a function of your MCE software and
your disk confituration. You might make sure that your Disk caching is
enabled for your drive or controller( I forget where the check box for this
is) and that you are using DMA access.
Assuming no prolems there( since the dafaults are the correct settings) what
you and others consider long delay vs resonalble response may be the same
time value you could only tell for sure using a stop watch.
"DanDada" <DanDada.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FC22C2D7-8072-402A-8838-9F3CF03DBCB2@microsoft.com...
> So does that mean the Emuzed Tuner is inferior in quality? Does anyone
> know
> of any issues w/ Emuzed Tuners?????
>
> "Michael J. Mahon" wrote:
>
>> From what has been written, I doubt that much of the delay is due
>> to processing speed.
>>
>> For *directly* tuned channels (not STB setups), I'd be willing to bet
>> that it is a function of the tuner's response time, not the *system*.
>>
>> -michael
>>
>>
>> DanDada wrote:
>> > Jaime, my system is just as beefy, if not more... 2 gigs ram, intel 4
>> > dual
>> > core pro, etc etc. Well, I guess I'll have to learn to live w/ the
>> > delay if
>> > there is not setting that can be adjusted in the registry etc. Arite
>> > thanx!
>> >
>> > "Jaime" wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>I have a Hauppauge 150mce, which is what a lot of people use, and I
>> >>don't
>> >>know if that affects it or not. As I said, this discussion has come up
>> >>before and most seem to think the second or two delay is inherent in
>> >>the
>> >>system, but the way some have described it, they must be seeing much
>> >>more
>> >>time between chaannels than I. As I said, when I flip channels, their
>> >>is
>> >>only a very brief instant of blank screen. It's not as fast as an old
>> >>TV
>> >>that didn't have all the filtering and cleanup circuitry that TVs have
>> >>now,
>> >>but it really is no different delay than if I just have the TV running
>> >>directly from the cable.
>> >>
>> >>BTW, I have my signal split with one directly into the coax on the TV
>> >>and
>> >>one to the tuner. I have a Sempron 2600, 768M of RAM, a generic FX5200
>> >>video
>> >>card, and I use the nVidia DVD decoder. I don't know how much any of
>> >>that
>> >>affects the delay in the system.
>> >>--
>> >>James
>> >>Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>> >>
>> >>"DanDada" <DanDada.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:903BEE04-B48B-46A5-AE40-D3398BE51729@microsoft.com...
>> >>
>> >>>dfeifer, thanks for the reply but i'm not sure we are talking about
>> >>>the
>> >>>same
>> >>>thing. Did you respond to my post by mistake?
>> >>>
>> >>>Jaime, your post is on point. I don't have a set top box, I hava an
>> >>>analog
>> >>>cable, connected DIRECTLY to the tv tuner in my pc. The fact that you
>> >>>don't
>> >>>get any type of delay really gives me some hope now! My cable signal
>> >>>is
>> >>>split between my main TV (different room) and my TV Tuner. If i take
>> >>>the
>> >>>cable and connect it directly to the tv tuner (ie. no splitte), it
>> >>>makes
>> >>>no
>> >>>difference. What could the problem be???
>> >>>
>> >>>Oh, what kind of TV Tuner do you have? Mine is an Emuzed Angel PCI.
>> >>>Could
>> >>>it be a problem w/ this tuner?
>> >>>
>> >>>"Jaime" wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Out of curiosity, are you using a STB with your setup or analog cable
>> >>>>directly plugged in to the tuner card?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>We've had this question come up before on the group and I'm not
>> >>>>totally
>> >>>>convinced that it is the buffer causing the delay -- I have plain old
>> >>>>analog
>> >>>>cable plugged right into the PC and I have virtually no delay when I
>> >>>>surf.
>> >>>>The channel change at pretty much the same speed as when I am just
>> >>>>watching
>> >>>>the cable directly. I think some of the delay is MCE getting the
>> >>>>signal
>> >>>>from
>> >>>>the remote, translating, and resending to the STB.
>> >>>>--
>> >>>>James
>> >>>>Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"DanDada" <DanDada.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:ED5D3A84-5D57-4787-9766-870E81E8E97D@microsoft.com...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>JW, thanks. That explains the delay, but is there anyway to speed
>> >>>>>this
>> >>>>>process up? I mean if one is changing channels constantly, isn't
>> >>>>>there
>> >>>>>some
>> >>>>>sort of "cached" info like that of IE for example. Not trying to be
>> >>>>>difficult, but I want to make this as seamless as possible. If it
>> >>>>>can't
>> >>>>>be
>> >>>>>done, this is something that definitly needs to be taken into
>> >>>>>consideration
>> >>>>>for future versions of MCE.....
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>"JW" wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>The delay is caused by MCE creating a new file in order to support
>> >>>>>>a
>> >>>>>>TimeShift buffer for the new channel and not actually starting to
>> >>>>>>show
>> >>>>>>the
>> >>>>>>new file until it can sucessfully issue a write command to the
>> >>>>>>newly
>> >>>>>>created
>> >>>>>>file.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>"DanDada" <DanDada.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>news:1D8D927D-E7A4-4750-AD22-37F027372D03@microsoft.com...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Is there any way to avoid the delay when changing channels w/ MCE?
>> >>>>>>>There
>> >>>>>>>is
>> >>>>>>>a 1 second delay going from one channel to another which gets to
>> >>>>>>>be
>> >>>>>>>very
>> >>>>>>>annoying when channel surfing. Does anyone have a workaround for
>> >>>>>>>this
>> >>>>>>>if
>> >>>>>>>this is by design?
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Delay changing channels 

JW, I have confirmed Disk Caching is enable and the HD is using DMA, infact,
Ultra DMA mode 2. The delay we are speaking of is a 1 second delay when
going from one channel to the next. When you hit the button to go up one
channel or enter any channel #, MCE freezes for 1 second, then the next
channel is displayed. On a conventional TV, when u change the channel, the
delay is a matter of milliseconds. 1 second may sound insignificant, but try
going from 2 - 99 w/a 1 second delay between each channel. It gets to be
very very annoying. Any other help is greatly appreciated!!!!!

"JW" wrote:

> It is not a function of the tuner it is a function of your MCE software and
> your disk confituration. You might make sure that your Disk caching is
> enabled for your drive or controller( I forget where the check box for this
> is) and that you are using DMA access.
> Assuming no prolems there( since the dafaults are the correct settings) what
> you and others consider long delay vs resonalble response may be the same
> time value you could only tell for sure using a stop watch.
> "DanDada" <DanDada RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:FC22C2D7-8072-402A-8838-9F3CF03DBCB2@microsoft.com...
> > So does that mean the Emuzed Tuner is inferior in quality? Does anyone
> > know
> > of any issues w/ Emuzed Tuners?????
> >
> > "Michael J. Mahon" wrote:
> >
> >> From what has been written, I doubt that much of the delay is due
> >> to processing speed.
> >>
> >> For *directly* tuned channels (not STB setups), I'd be willing to bet
> >> that it is a function of the tuner's response time, not the *system*.
> >>
> >> -michael
> >>
> >>
> >> DanDada wrote:
> >> > Jaime, my system is just as beefy, if not more... 2 gigs ram, intel 4
> >> > dual
> >> > core pro, etc etc. Well, I guess I'll have to learn to live w/ the
> >> > delay if
> >> > there is not setting that can be adjusted in the registry etc. Arite
> >> > thanx!
> >> >
> >> > "Jaime" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>I have a Hauppauge 150mce, which is what a lot of people use, and I
> >> >>don't
> >> >>know if that affects it or not. As I said, this discussion has come up
> >> >>before and most seem to think the second or two delay is inherent in
> >> >>the
> >> >>system, but the way some have described it, they must be seeing much
> >> >>more
> >> >>time between chaannels than I. As I said, when I flip channels, their
> >> >>is
> >> >>only a very brief instant of blank screen. It's not as fast as an old
> >> >>TV
> >> >>that didn't have all the filtering and cleanup circuitry that TVs have
> >> >>now,
> >> >>but it really is no different delay than if I just have the TV running
> >> >>directly from the cable.
> >> >>
> >> >>BTW, I have my signal split with one directly into the coax on the TV
> >> >>and
> >> >>one to the tuner. I have a Sempron 2600, 768M of RAM, a generic FX5200
> >> >>video
> >> >>card, and I use the nVidia DVD decoder. I don't know how much any of
> >> >>that
> >> >>affects the delay in the system.
> >> >>--
> >> >>James
> >> >>Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
> >> >>
> >> >>"DanDada" <DanDada RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >>news:903BEE04-B48B-46A5-AE40-D3398BE51729@microsoft.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>>dfeifer, thanks for the reply but i'm not sure we are talking about
> >> >>>the
> >> >>>same
> >> >>>thing. Did you respond to my post by mistake?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Jaime, your post is on point. I don't have a set top box, I hava an
> >> >>>analog
> >> >>>cable, connected DIRECTLY to the tv tuner in my pc. The fact that you
> >> >>>don't
> >> >>>get any type of delay really gives me some hope now! My cable signal
> >> >>>is
> >> >>>split between my main TV (different room) and my TV Tuner. If i take
> >> >>>the
> >> >>>cable and connect it directly to the tv tuner (ie. no splitte), it
> >> >>>makes
> >> >>>no
> >> >>>difference. What could the problem be???
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Oh, what kind of TV Tuner do you have? Mine is an Emuzed Angel PCI.
> >> >>>Could
> >> >>>it be a problem w/ this tuner?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"Jaime" wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Out of curiosity, are you using a STB with your setup or analog cable
> >> >>>>directly plugged in to the tuner card?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>We've had this question come up before on the group and I'm not
> >> >>>>totally
> >> >>>>convinced that it is the buffer causing the delay -- I have plain old
> >> >>>>analog
> >> >>>>cable plugged right into the PC and I have virtually no delay when I
> >> >>>>surf.
> >> >>>>The channel change at pretty much the same speed as when I am just
> >> >>>>watching
> >> >>>>the cable directly. I think some of the delay is MCE getting the
> >> >>>>signal
> >> >>>>from
> >> >>>>the remote, translating, and resending to the STB.
> >> >>>>--
> >> >>>>James
> >> >>>>Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"DanDada" <DanDada RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:ED5D3A84-5D57-4787-9766-870E81E8E97D@microsoft.com...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>JW, thanks. That explains the delay, but is there anyway to speed
> >> >>>>>this
> >> >>>>>process up? I mean if one is changing channels constantly, isn't
> >> >>>>>there
> >> >>>>>some
> >> >>>>>sort of "cached" info like that of IE for example. Not trying to be
> >> >>>>>difficult, but I want to make this as seamless as possible. If it
> >> >>>>>can't
> >> >>>>>be
> >> >>>>>done, this is something that definitly needs to be taken into
> >> >>>>>consideration
> >> >>>>>for future versions of MCE.....
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>"JW" wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>The delay is caused by MCE creating a new file in order to support
> >> >>>>>>a
> >> >>>>>>TimeShift buffer for the new channel and not actually starting to
> >> >>>>>>show
> >> >>>>>>the
> >> >>>>>>new file until it can sucessfully issue a write command to the
> >> >>>>>>newly
> >> >>>>>>created
> >> >>>>>>file.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>"DanDada" <DanDada RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>news:1D8D927D-E7A4-4750-AD22-37F027372D03@microsoft.com...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Is there any way to avoid the delay when changing channels w/ MCE?
> >> >>>>>>>There
> >> >>>>>>>is
> >> >>>>>>>a 1 second delay going from one channel to another which gets to
> >> >>>>>>>be
> >> >>>>>>>very
> >> >>>>>>>annoying when channel surfing. Does anyone have a workaround for
> >> >>>>>>>this
> >> >>>>>>>if
> >> >>>>>>>this is by design?
> >>
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Delay changing channels 

IMHO due to the establishment of the time shift buffer there is no way it
will ever match that of a conventional NTSC tuner going direct to a screen
without any reprocessing of any kind.

"DanDada" <DanDada.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6E89B605-D457-4B64-92B0-30D58EF0CC13@microsoft.com...
> JW, I have confirmed Disk Caching is enable and the HD is using DMA,
> infact,
> Ultra DMA mode 2. The delay we are speaking of is a 1 second delay when
> going from one channel to the next. When you hit the button to go up one
> channel or enter any channel #, MCE freezes for 1 second, then the next
> channel is displayed. On a conventional TV, when u change the channel, the
> delay is a matter of milliseconds. 1 second may sound insignificant, but
> try
> going from 2 - 99 w/a 1 second delay between each channel. It gets to be
> very very annoying. Any other help is greatly appreciated!!!!!
>
> "JW" wrote:
>
>> It is not a function of the tuner it is a function of your MCE software
>> and
>> your disk confituration. You might make sure that your Disk caching is
>> enabled for your drive or controller( I forget where the check box for
>> this
>> is) and that you are using DMA access.
>> Assuming no prolems there( since the dafaults are the correct settings)
>> what
>> you and others consider long delay vs resonalble response may be the same
>> time value you could only tell for sure using a stop watch.
>> "DanDada" <DanDada.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FC22C2D7-8072-402A-8838-9F3CF03DBCB2@microsoft.com...
>> > So does that mean the Emuzed Tuner is inferior in quality? Does anyone
>> > know
>> > of any issues w/ Emuzed Tuners?????
>> >
>> > "Michael J. Mahon" wrote:
>> >
>> >> From what has been written, I doubt that much of the delay is due
>> >> to processing speed.
>> >>
>> >> For *directly* tuned channels (not STB setups), I'd be willing to bet
>> >> that it is a function of the tuner's response time, not the *system*.
>> >>
>> >> -michael
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> DanDada wrote:
>> >> > Jaime, my system is just as beefy, if not more... 2 gigs ram, intel
>> >> > 4
>> >> > dual
>> >> > core pro, etc etc. Well, I guess I'll have to learn to live w/ the
>> >> > delay if
>> >> > there is not setting that can be adjusted in the registry etc.
>> >> > Arite
>> >> > thanx!
>> >> >
>> >> > "Jaime" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>I have a Hauppauge 150mce, which is what a lot of people use, and I
>> >> >>don't
>> >> >>know if that affects it or not. As I said, this discussion has come
>> >> >>up
>> >> >>before and most seem to think the second or two delay is inherent in
>> >> >>the
>> >> >>system, but the way some have described it, they must be seeing much
>> >> >>more
>> >> >>time between chaannels than I. As I said, when I flip channels,
>> >> >>their
>> >> >>is
>> >> >>only a very brief instant of blank screen. It's not as fast as an
>> >> >>old
>> >> >>TV
>> >> >>that didn't have all the filtering and cleanup circuitry that TVs
>> >> >>have
>> >> >>now,
>> >> >>but it really is no different delay than if I just have the TV
>> >> >>running
>> >> >>directly from the cable.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>BTW, I have my signal split with one directly into the coax on the
>> >> >>TV
>> >> >>and
>> >> >>one to the tuner. I have a Sempron 2600, 768M of RAM, a generic
>> >> >>FX5200
>> >> >>video
>> >> >>card, and I use the nVidia DVD decoder. I don't know how much any of
>> >> >>that
>> >> >>affects the delay in the system.
>> >> >>--
>> >> >>James
>> >> >>Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>> >> >>
>> >> >>"DanDada" <DanDada.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>news:903BEE04-B48B-46A5-AE40-D3398BE51729@microsoft.com...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>dfeifer, thanks for the reply but i'm not sure we are talking about
>> >> >>>the
>> >> >>>same
>> >> >>>thing. Did you respond to my post by mistake?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Jaime, your post is on point. I don't have a set top box, I hava
>> >> >>>an
>> >> >>>analog
>> >> >>>cable, connected DIRECTLY to the tv tuner in my pc. The fact that
>> >> >>>you
>> >> >>>don't
>> >> >>>get any type of delay really gives me some hope now! My cable
>> >> >>>signal
>> >> >>>is
>> >> >>>split between my main TV (different room) and my TV Tuner. If i
>> >> >>>take
>> >> >>>the
>> >> >>>cable and connect it directly to the tv tuner (ie. no splitte), it
>> >> >>>makes
>> >> >>>no
>> >> >>>difference. What could the problem be???
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Oh, what kind of TV Tuner do you have? Mine is an Emuzed Angel PCI.
>> >> >>>Could
>> >> >>>it be a problem w/ this tuner?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>"Jaime" wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>Out of curiosity, are you using a STB with your setup or analog
>> >> >>>>cable
>> >> >>>>directly plugged in to the tuner card?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>We've had this question come up before on the group and I'm not
>> >> >>>>totally
>> >> >>>>convinced that it is the buffer causing the delay -- I have plain
>> >> >>>>old
>> >> >>>>analog
>> >> >>>>cable plugged right into the PC and I have virtually no delay when
>> >> >>>>I
>> >> >>>>surf.
>> >> >>>>The channel change at pretty much the same speed as when I am just
>> >> >>>>watching
>> >> >>>>the cable directly. I think some of the delay is MCE getting the
>> >> >>>>signal
>> >> >>>>from
>> >> >>>>the remote, translating, and resending to the STB.
>> >> >>>>--
>> >> >>>>James
>> >> >>>>Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>"DanDada" <DanDada.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>news:ED5D3A84-5D57-4787-9766-870E81E8E97D@microsoft.com...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>JW, thanks. That explains the delay, but is there anyway to
>> >> >>>>>speed
>> >> >>>>>this
>> >> >>>>>process up? I mean if one is changing channels constantly, isn't
>> >> >>>>>there
>> >> >>>>>some
>> >> >>>>>sort of "cached" info like that of IE for example. Not trying to
>> >> >>>>>be
>> >> >>>>>difficult, but I want to make this as seamless as possible. If
>> >> >>>>>it
>> >> >>>>>can't
>> >> >>>>>be
>> >> >>>>>done, this is something that definitly needs to be taken into
>> >> >>>>>consideration
>> >> >>>>>for future versions of MCE.....
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>"JW" wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>The delay is caused by MCE creating a new file in order to
>> >> >>>>>>support
>> >> >>>>>>a
>> >> >>>>>>TimeShift buffer for the new channel and not actually starting
>> >> >>>>>>to
>> >> >>>>>>show
>> >> >>>>>>the
>> >> >>>>>>new file until it can sucessfully issue a write command to the
>> >> >>>>>>newly
>> >> >>>>>>created
>> >> >>>>>>file.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>"DanDada" <DanDada.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>news:1D8D927D-E7A4-4750-AD22-37F027372D03@microsoft.com...
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>Is there any way to avoid the delay when changing channels w/
>> >> >>>>>>>MCE?
>> >> >>>>>>>There
>> >> >>>>>>>is
>> >> >>>>>>>a 1 second delay going from one channel to another which gets
>> >> >>>>>>>to
>> >> >>>>>>>be
>> >> >>>>>>>very
>> >> >>>>>>>annoying when channel surfing. Does anyone have a workaround
>> >> >>>>>>>for
>> >> >>>>>>>this
>> >> >>>>>>>if
>> >> >>>>>>>this is by design?
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Delay changing channels