Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine?

Yes you do have to buy hardware unless you find someone willing to skirt the
rules or buy in bulk .

PS--I AM an OEM system builder so I have to know the rules or face heavy
fines if I break them.

--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Larry Samuels" <larry.TakeThisOut@mvps.org> wrote
>
>> Carey is not wrong--upgrading the motherboard constitutes a new PC and
>> the old license for XP is void.
>>
>> --
>> Larry Samuels Associate Expert
>
> Not according to the EULA I agreed to in Spanish on two computers and in
> English on one computer before installing. There's no mention of the word
> "motherboard" in either EULA. I just read them again to make sure that SP2
> didn't change anything and it didn't. Do you, like Carey, have a reading
> comprehension problem?
>
> FYI, I changed a motherboard on one of my computers the other day and it
> activated online with no problem.
>
> Sooooooooo, I have the EULA that says nothing about a motherboard and I
> have the actual proof of a seamless online activation.
>
> What have you got besides "I said so"? And, before you do it, don't post
> the systems builder web site that requires a password to view as that is
> NOT the EULA I agreed to.
>
> Next thing you're going to tell me is I have to buy some hardware with a
> generic Windows XP Home or Pro OEM, which I don't.
>
> Alias
>
>> MS-MVP (2001-2005)
>> Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
>> http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
>> Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23mZlcLL2FHA.3192@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> Does it make a difference if I put the new motherboard and CPU in the
>>>> old case?
>>>
>>> Carey, as usual, is wrong. You cannot, however, use the restore CD
>>> because it was made for the previous motherboard and tied to its BIOS,
>>> not because, as Carey says, it's a "different computer". Had the
>>> original seller of the computer given you a generic OEM, yes, it would
>>> be an upgrade not a new computer like the misnamed "MVP" Carey says. I
>>> would recommend you buy a generic OEM, not a retail version if you want
>>> to save money and try a repair install after backing up your data on the
>>> HD first and, if that doesn't work, a clean install. As you live in
>>> Alabama, check out:
>>>
>>> http://www.walmart.com/search/browse-ng.do?ref=125875.126122+500854.42...71607&p
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch.TakeThisOut@nospamgmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>> You cannot transfer the license for a preinstalled OEM
>>>>> version of Windows XP to a different computer. The
>>>>> license is directly tied to the original computer's hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll need to purchase a conventional version of
>>>>> Windows XP for your new computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Carey Frisch
>>>>> Microsoft MVP
>>>>> Windows - Shell/User
>>>>> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> "M Skabialka" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> | We have a 2 1/2 yr old machine which came from the manufacturer with
>>>>> no copy
>>>>> | of Windows XP Home, only a restore disk. On the occasion that we
>>>>> had to use
>>>>> | it, there was no option to reinstall Windows, only to reformat and
>>>>> start
>>>>> | over.
>>>>> |
>>>>> | We bought a really fast CPU and fan on sale and realized that it is
>>>>> not
>>>>> | compatible with the motherboard on this machine, so then went out
>>>>> and bought
>>>>> | a new case and motherboard. We would like to move everything else
>>>>> from the
>>>>> | first machine (NIC, RAM, HDD, CD-RW, Video adapter, fans, etc) and
>>>>> have a
>>>>> | new faster machine.
>>>>> |
>>>>> | However, when we put the hard drive in (which works OK now) onto the
>>>>> new
>>>>> | machine, what will it do to the Windows XP Home that is on the HDD
>>>>> but
>>>>> | thinks it belongs to the other motherboard and CPU?
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Will it let this happen or totally scramble everything?
>>>>> |
>>>>> | We are going to ghost it first just in case, but does anyone else
>>>>> have
>>>>> | experience, good or bad, doing this?
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Since we already own this copy of Win XP Home, we don't want to have
>>>>> to buy
>>>>> | it again. The other machine will be gutted and useless.
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Thanks,
>>>>> | Mich
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? 

"Larry Samuels" <larry.DeleteThis@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> Yes you do have to buy hardware unless you find someone willing to skirt
> the rules or buy in bulk .
>
> PS--I AM an OEM system builder so I have to know the rules or face heavy
> fines if I break them.
>

This has changed. Microsoft now sells OEM XP in one packs. These can be sold
to someone building their own system. They become their own OEM and must
provide their own support. The new one packs have a sticker on the outside
outlining this. It is an abbreviated version of the OEM License agreement on
3-packs and 30-packs. My understanding is that you must sell the one pack if
you are selling singles. Breaking up larger packs and selling them
individually with hardware is no longer allowed. Once opened the multi packs
have to be installed before they can be sold.

Kerry
 >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? 

Hi Alias,

Ouch--you are getting ^&%&* on pricing. Retail Home is $199 here, Upgrade is
$99

PS--being outside the US changes things considerably. Many vendors ignore
the rules knowing unless they screw up badly no one is coming after them. If
they are prosecuted the laws of the country involved may trump US law.

LOL about the "almost an expert" If you aren't familiar with the associate
expert program,check out the Expert Zone sometime.

--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Larry Samuels" <larry DeleteThis @mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%231BnryQ2FHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Alias,
>>
>> If you purchase an OEM copy and install it, you assume the role of
>> systembuilder and are bound by the same rules regardless of whether you
>> know them or not. By installing the software you accept the agreement.
>
> No one asked me to agree to anything. All they wanted was the money. At no
> time during the installation of the OEM or purchase of same was I asked to
> agree to any systems builder agreement, only the EULA. With your "logic",
> MS can change what I "agreed to" at will. Slick response, though. Are you
> also a lawyer for MS besides almost being an expert for four years?
>
>> If you are and enduser who has purchased a PC with windows preinstalled,
>> you are bound by the agreement accepted by the original installer. It's a
>> lose/lose situation caused by the insistence on using cheaper OEM copies.
>> They are cheaper for a reason<G>
>
> In Spain, you can get three OEMs with almost $USD 60.00 change for the
> price of an XP Home ***upgrade*** retail. I have yet to find a place that
> sells a full retail XP. XP Home ****upgrade*** retail goes for USD350.40.
> OEM goes for USD95.70. Need the urls?
>
> We buy OEMs for a reason ... MUCH cheaper.
>
>>
>> Upgrading is not allowed--replacing a defective board is.
>>
>> --
>> Larry Samuels Associate Expert
>
> Not according what I agreed to.
>
> Alias
 >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? 

Larry Samuels wrote:

<<snipped>>

> I can only state the license agreement as written and enforced on OEMs.
>
> Until the first case is decided in court, licensing will always be a grey
> area, and that is not likely to happen in our lifetime.
>

Yes, let's have a court case and decision. Who wants to start
playing the game of "chicken"? Microsoft and its legal battalion?
Or how about some lawyer interested in doing some pro bono work,
potentially up to arguing before the U.S. Supreme Court? The real
truth is that no one wants a court decision so that this issue
can remain "gray" because, whichever way it is decided, the outcome
will be devastating to both the industry and the user.
 >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? 

Lie, move the hard drive, then activate Windows XP again. If you call
microsoft to activate it, tell them you reformatted the HD and it's only on
that one computer. They'll activate it for ya. You'd have a hard time
reformatting without a windows CD though. I'd suggest getting a copy of an
OEM version for yourself, it will cost you a little more money but it can
save you a headache later if you crash or something. Not to mention
Microsoft probably won't like you lieing to them and violating the copywrite
laws to get XP activated again and useing the OEM edition in a different
computer...

"M Skabialka" wrote:

> We have a 2 1/2 yr old machine which came from the manufacturer with no copy
> of Windows XP Home, only a restore disk. On the occasion that we had to use
> it, there was no option to reinstall Windows, only to reformat and start
> over.
>
> We bought a really fast CPU and fan on sale and realized that it is not
> compatible with the motherboard on this machine, so then went out and bought
> a new case and motherboard. We would like to move everything else from the
> first machine (NIC, RAM, HDD, CD-RW, Video adapter, fans, etc) and have a
> new faster machine.
>
> However, when we put the hard drive in (which works OK now) onto the new
> machine, what will it do to the Windows XP Home that is on the HDD but
> thinks it belongs to the other motherboard and CPU?
>
> Will it let this happen or totally scramble everything?
>
> We are going to ghost it first just in case, but does anyone else have
> experience, good or bad, doing this?
>
> Since we already own this copy of Win XP Home, we don't want to have to buy
> it again. The other machine will be gutted and useless.
>
> Thanks,
> Mich
>
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? 

"Ted Zieglar" <teddyz DeleteThis @notmail.com> wrote in message
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"And, before you do it, don't post the systems builder web site...as that is
NOT the EULA I agreed to."

You did, in fact, agree to that EULA when you purchased an OEM version,
whether it was shown to you or not.<

Perhaps in the States. I don't live there.

> If you weren't given a chance to examine it at the point of purchase,
> complain to whomever sold it to you. <<<<<<<<

99% of the retail stores here sell OEMs without hardware and none of them
provide you with a system builder EULA because most people who buy them,
like myself, are not in the system building business. What I make money at
has nothing to do with building computers. They are for my personal and
family's use. My EULA says nothing about a motherboard at all. It does not
say that I cannot upgrade my hardware and it's the only thing I clicked on.
I never signed anything.

>> Ignorance of the law is no defense. But it does seem to be your
>> trademark.

Ted Zieglar <<<

Tsk, tsk, more ad hominems. I have read my EULAs carefully and neither of
them say anything about upgrading a motherboard constituting a "new
computer". "Motherboard" is not even mentioned once. Or the CPU or anything
else for that matter. It does say I cannot move it to the computer I have on
the other side of the room and I would agree that doing that would be
against the terms of the EULA, not replacing defective components or
upgrading them and I am crystal clear sure that any judge in the country
where I live would agree with me.

Alias

"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:eZ3s7kQ2FHA.2216@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
> "Larry Samuels" <larry DeleteThis @mvps.org> wrote
>
>> Carey is not wrong--upgrading the motherboard constitutes a new PC and
>> the
>> old license for XP is void.
>>
>> --
>> Larry Samuels Associate Expert
>
> Not according to the EULA I agreed to in Spanish on two computers and in
> English on one computer before installing. There's no mention of the word
> "motherboard" in either EULA. I just read them again to make sure that SP2
> didn't change anything and it didn't. Do you, like Carey, have a reading
> comprehension problem?
>
> FYI, I changed a motherboard on one of my computers the other day and it
> activated online with no problem.
>
> Sooooooooo, I have the EULA that says nothing about a motherboard and I
> have
> the actual proof of a seamless online activation.
>
> What have you got besides "I said so"? And, before you do it, don't post
> the
> systems builder web site that requires a password to view as that is NOT
> the
> EULA I agreed to.
>
> Next thing you're going to tell me is I have to buy some hardware with a
> generic Windows XP Home or Pro OEM, which I don't.
>
> Alias
>
>> MS-MVP (2001-2005)
>> Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
>> http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
>> Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23mZlcLL2FHA.3192@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka DeleteThis @NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> Does it make a difference if I put the new motherboard and CPU in the
>>>> old case?
>>>
>>> Carey, as usual, is wrong. You cannot, however, use the restore CD
>>> because it was made for the previous motherboard and tied to its BIOS,
>>> not because, as Carey says, it's a "different computer". Had the
>>> original
>>> seller of the computer given you a generic OEM, yes, it would be an
>>> upgrade not a new computer like the misnamed "MVP" Carey says. I would
>>> recommend you buy a generic OEM, not a retail version if you want to
>>> save
>>> money and try a repair install after backing up your data on the HD
>>> first
>>> and, if that doesn't work, a clean install. As you live in Alabama,
>>> check
>>> out:
>>>
>>> http://www.walmart.com/search/browse-ng.do?ref=125875.126122+500854.42...71607&p
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch DeleteThis @nospamgmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>> You cannot transfer the license for a preinstalled OEM
>>>>> version of Windows XP to a different computer. The
>>>>> license is directly tied to the original computer's hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll need to purchase a conventional version of
>>>>> Windows XP for your new computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Carey Frisch
>>>>> Microsoft MVP
>>>>> Windows - Shell/User
>>>>> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> "M Skabialka" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> | We have a 2 1/2 yr old machine which came from the manufacturer with
>>>>> no copy
>>>>> | of Windows XP Home, only a restore disk. On the occasion that we
>>>>> had
>>>>> to use
>>>>> | it, there was no option to reinstall Windows, only to reformat and
>>>>> start
>>>>> | over.
>>>>> |
>>>>> | We bought a really fast CPU and fan on sale and realized that it is
>>>>> not
>>>>> | compatible with the motherboard on this machine, so then went out
>>>>> and
>>>>> bought
>>>>> | a new case and motherboard. We would like to move everything else
>>>>> from the
>>>>> | first machine (NIC, RAM, HDD, CD-RW, Video adapter, fans, etc) and
>>>>> have a
>>>>> | new faster machine.
>>>>> |
>>>>> | However, when we put the hard drive in (which works OK now) onto the
>>>>> new
>>>>> | machine, what will it do to the Windows XP Home that is on the HDD
>>>>> but
>>>>> | thinks it belongs to the other motherboard and CPU?
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Will it let this happen or totally scramble everything?
>>>>> |
>>>>> | We are going to ghost it first just in case, but does anyone else
>>>>> have
>>>>> | experience, good or bad, doing this?
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Since we already own this copy of Win XP Home, we don't want to have
>>>>> to buy
>>>>> | it again. The other machine will be gutted and useless.
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Thanks,
>>>>> | Mich
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? 

"Larry Samuels" <larry.TakeThisOut@mvps.org> wrote

> Yes you do have to buy hardware unless you find someone willing to skirt
> the rules or buy in bulk .

In your country, not here, chum.

> PS--I AM an OEM system builder so I have to know the rules or face heavy
> fines if I break them.

Um, in Spain that ridiculous requirement isn't true. You have to know the
laws where you live. You obviously don't know the rules here.

Alias
>
> --
> Larry Samuels Associate Expert
> MS-MVP (2001-2005)
> Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
> http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
> Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:eZ3s7kQ2FHA.2216@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Larry Samuels" <larry.TakeThisOut@mvps.org> wrote
>>
>>> Carey is not wrong--upgrading the motherboard constitutes a new PC and
>>> the old license for XP is void.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Larry Samuels Associate Expert
>>
>> Not according to the EULA I agreed to in Spanish on two computers and in
>> English on one computer before installing. There's no mention of the word
>> "motherboard" in either EULA. I just read them again to make sure that
>> SP2 didn't change anything and it didn't. Do you, like Carey, have a
>> reading comprehension problem?
>>
>> FYI, I changed a motherboard on one of my computers the other day and it
>> activated online with no problem.
>>
>> Sooooooooo, I have the EULA that says nothing about a motherboard and I
>> have the actual proof of a seamless online activation.
>>
>> What have you got besides "I said so"? And, before you do it, don't post
>> the systems builder web site that requires a password to view as that is
>> NOT the EULA I agreed to.
>>
>> Next thing you're going to tell me is I have to buy some hardware with a
>> generic Windows XP Home or Pro OEM, which I don't.
>>
>> Alias
>>
>>> MS-MVP (2001-2005)
>>> Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
>>> http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
>>> Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>>> news:%23mZlcLL2FHA.3192@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Does it make a difference if I put the new motherboard and CPU in the
>>>>> old case?
>>>>
>>>> Carey, as usual, is wrong. You cannot, however, use the restore CD
>>>> because it was made for the previous motherboard and tied to its BIOS,
>>>> not because, as Carey says, it's a "different computer". Had the
>>>> original seller of the computer given you a generic OEM, yes, it would
>>>> be an upgrade not a new computer like the misnamed "MVP" Carey says. I
>>>> would recommend you buy a generic OEM, not a retail version if you want
>>>> to save money and try a repair install after backing up your data on
>>>> the HD first and, if that doesn't work, a clean install. As you live in
>>>> Alabama, check out:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.walmart.com/search/browse-ng.do?ref=125875.126122+500854.42...71607&p
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch.TakeThisOut@nospamgmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> You cannot transfer the license for a preinstalled OEM
>>>>>> version of Windows XP to a different computer. The
>>>>>> license is directly tied to the original computer's hardware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'll need to purchase a conventional version of
>>>>>> Windows XP for your new computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Carey Frisch
>>>>>> Microsoft MVP
>>>>>> Windows - Shell/User
>>>>>> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "M Skabialka" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> | We have a 2 1/2 yr old machine which came from the manufacturer
>>>>>> with no copy
>>>>>> | of Windows XP Home, only a restore disk. On the occasion that we
>>>>>> had to use
>>>>>> | it, there was no option to reinstall Windows, only to reformat and
>>>>>> start
>>>>>> | over.
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | We bought a really fast CPU and fan on sale and realized that it is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> | compatible with the motherboard on this machine, so then went out
>>>>>> and bought
>>>>>> | a new case and motherboard. We would like to move everything else
>>>>>> from the
>>>>>> | first machine (NIC, RAM, HDD, CD-RW, Video adapter, fans, etc) and
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> | new faster machine.
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | However, when we put the hard drive in (which works OK now) onto
>>>>>> the new
>>>>>> | machine, what will it do to the Windows XP Home that is on the HDD
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> | thinks it belongs to the other motherboard and CPU?
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | Will it let this happen or totally scramble everything?
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | We are going to ghost it first just in case, but does anyone else
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> | experience, good or bad, doing this?
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | Since we already own this copy of Win XP Home, we don't want to
>>>>>> have to buy
>>>>>> | it again. The other machine will be gutted and useless.
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | Thanks,
>>>>>> | Mich
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? 

See my other reply about laws in different countries.

--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Larry Samuels" <larry.RemoveThis@mvps.org> wrote
>
>> Yes you do have to buy hardware unless you find someone willing to skirt
>> the rules or buy in bulk .
>
> In your country, not here, chum.
>
>> PS--I AM an OEM system builder so I have to know the rules or face heavy
>> fines if I break them.
>
> Um, in Spain that ridiculous requirement isn't true. You have to know the
> laws where you live. You obviously don't know the rules here.
>
> Alias
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? 

In message <279D6937-2B4F-4BC1-ADCC-75A50E9E4B90.RemoveThis@microsoft.com> "Carey
Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004.RemoveThis@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:

>No, unless you wish to become a liar and a fraud.

How do you figure?

Fraud requires dishonesty, and as long as I can honestly say "The old
motherboard is no longer functioning, I took it to a shop and had a new
motherboard installed and now I need to reactivate", I haven't lied.

--
No Sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you.
-- Stewie
 >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? 

In message <DE005909-1A33-4FF6-885C-9B234A1286E1.TakeThisOut@microsoft.com> "Carey
Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004.TakeThisOut@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:

>It's not spelled out in the EULA. But it is in the
>System Builder EULA. You assume the role of
>a System Builder if you use an OEM version of
>Windows XP and change the motherboard.

Sure, I'll accept that. However, accepting the role of a system builder
and being legally bound to those terms are two very different things.

There are no "system builder" licensing requirements when I purchase an
OEM copy and install it.

--
No Sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you.
-- Stewie
 >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? 

"Larry Samuels" <larry RemoveThis @mvps.org> wrote in message
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> Hi Alias,
>
> Ouch--you are getting ^&%&* on pricing. Retail Home is $199 here, Upgrade
> is $99

At those prices, retail is much more attractive.
>
> PS--being outside the US changes things considerably. Many vendors ignore
> the rules knowing unless they screw up badly no one is coming after them.
> If they are prosecuted the laws of the country involved may trump US law.

No hardware with OEMs is the law here.
>
> LOL about the "almost an expert" If you aren't familiar with the associate
> expert program,check out the Expert Zone sometime.
>
> --
> Larry Samuels Associate Expert

I have a friend who works on computers. He's been doing it since 1969. He
tells me that in computing, no one's an expert.

Alias
> MS-MVP (2001-2005)
> Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
> http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
> Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:eXrwzPR2FHA.3244@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Larry Samuels" <larry RemoveThis @mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:%231BnryQ2FHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi Alias,
>>>
>>> If you purchase an OEM copy and install it, you assume the role of
>>> systembuilder and are bound by the same rules regardless of whether you
>>> know them or not. By installing the software you accept the agreement.
>>
>> No one asked me to agree to anything. All they wanted was the money. At
>> no time during the installation of the OEM or purchase of same was I
>> asked to agree to any systems builder agreement, only the EULA. With your
>> "logic", MS can change what I "agreed to" at will. Slick response,
>> though. Are you also a lawyer for MS besides almost being an expert for
>> four years?
>>
>>> If you are and enduser who has purchased a PC with windows preinstalled,
>>> you are bound by the agreement accepted by the original installer. It's
>>> a lose/lose situation caused by the insistence on using cheaper OEM
>>> copies. They are cheaper for a reason<G>
>>
>> In Spain, you can get three OEMs with almost $USD 60.00 change for the
>> price of an XP Home ***upgrade*** retail. I have yet to find a place that
>> sells a full retail XP. XP Home ****upgrade*** retail goes for USD350.40.
>> OEM goes for USD95.70. Need the urls?
>>
>> We buy OEMs for a reason ... MUCH cheaper.
>>
>>>
>>> Upgrading is not allowed--replacing a defective board is.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Larry Samuels Associate Expert
>>
>> Not according what I agreed to.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
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"M Skabialka" <mskabialka.RemoveThis@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote:

>We have a 2 1/2 yr old machine which came from the manufacturer with no copy
>of Windows XP Home, only a restore disk. On the occasion that we had to use
>it, there was no option to reinstall Windows, only to reformat and start
>over.
>
>We bought a really fast CPU and fan on sale and realized that it is not
>compatible with the motherboard on this machine, so then went out and bought
>a new case and motherboard. We would like to move everything else from the
>first machine (NIC, RAM, HDD, CD-RW, Video adapter, fans, etc) and have a
>new faster machine.
>
>However, when we put the hard drive in (which works OK now) onto the new
>machine, what will it do to the Windows XP Home that is on the HDD but
>thinks it belongs to the other motherboard and CPU?
>
>Will it let this happen or totally scramble everything?
>
>We are going to ghost it first just in case, but does anyone else have
>experience, good or bad, doing this?
>
>Since we already own this copy of Win XP Home, we don't want to have to buy
>it again. The other machine will be gutted and useless.
>

In order to configure Windows XP for your new motherboard you will
need to do a Repair Install so as to load the proper drivers and
configuration settings.

As your Windows XP is on a restore disk it contains only an image of
the installed system as it was when it left the factory and therefore
cannot do a Repair Install.

Your best option at this point would be to purchase a new generic copy
of Windows XP Home and do a Repair Install with it.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

If you have a spare hard drive you might want to try using that with
your new motherboard and then using your XP Home restore disk and see
what happens. It probably won't work, but it just might. And if it
does then you could probably (but not guaranteed) get your main hard
drive to also boot into XP with the new motherboard.

Good luck



Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
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hmm so we should give MS more cash at every chance

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004 DeleteThis @nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1A11EDA6-7F6B-4C37-84D8-04102A718541@microsoft.com...
> Q. Can a PC with OEM Windows XP have its motherboard upgraded and keep the
> same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?
>
> A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on
> your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for the
> original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the exception of
> an
> upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard
> is
> considered to result in a "new personal computer" to which Microsoft® OEM
> operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If
> the
> motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then
> a
> new computer has been created and the license of new operating system
> software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is
> defective,
> you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.
>
> The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user
> license
> agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by that EULA. The
> EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user by the PC
> manufacturer
> and relates only to rights for that software as installed on for that
> particular PC. The System Builder is required to support the software on
> that
> original PC. Understanding that end users, over time, upgrade their PC
> with
> different components, Microsoft needed to have one base component "left
> standing" that would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard
> contains the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the
> motherboard
> is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially
> created.
> The original System Builder, therefore, can not be expected to support
> this
> new PC that they in effect, did not manufacture.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
>
>
>
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