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Since: Feb 20, 2004 Posts: 212
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windowsxp>hardware (more info?)
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You have confirmed how little knowledge you have of
the restrictions of OEM licensing agreements.
--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
"Alias" wrote:
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004.DeleteThis@nospamyahoo.com> wrote
>
> > It certainly applies to an end-user! You have no clue as
> > to the licensing stipulations of OEM versions of Windows
> > XP. Please refrain from responding to questions regarding
> > OEM licensing since your replys are purely non-sense,
> > mis-leading, confusing, and do more harm then good
> > to the OP who is seeking trustworthy advice!
> >
> > Direct quotes from the Resourc Guide to Windows Licensing:
> >
> > "OEM Windows Desktop operating systems preinstalled on a PC
> > CANNOT BE TRANSFERRED or reassigned to another machine.
> > The license is ALWAYS TIED to the ORIGINAL SYSTEM in which it
> > was installed, even if the PC is no longer in use. The software
> > media, manuals, and Certificate of Authenticity may only be
> > transferred to another end user if the PC on which it was installed
> > is also transferred."
> >
> > "OEM versions are intended for system builders only and cannot be
> > transferred to another PC once it is installed. Purchasers of this
> > software
> > are required to comply with the terms of the System Builder License,
> > including responsibility for providing all end-user support."
> >
> > --
> > Carey Frisch
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows XP - Shell/User
>
> Um, who said anything about transfering the OS to another PC? He is
> upgrading his PC by replacing a few components and that's perfectly kosher
> and you know it. Do you get some kind of vicarious thrill from scaring
> newbies into buying a retail version of Windows? Upgrading or replacing a
> motherboard is not mentioned in the END USER'S -- NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH
> SYSTEM BUILDER THAT YOUR COPY AND PASTE ADDRESSES, EULA. Period. I have
> three OEM EULAs, two in Spanish and one in English and NONE of them say
> ANYTHING about a motherboard being the defining hardware that constitutes a
> computer and, if I want to upgrade from a Mobo that can only take 2x AGP to
> one that can take 8x, I can. Or if I want to upgrade to one that can take
> 333 memory instead of 266, I can. Essentially, over time, I could upgrade
> the computer's components completely except for one screw and it will still
> only be installed on ONE computer and not transferred to another. Yaknow, a
> PC, not a MAC.
>
> Alias
> >
> >
> > "Alias" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004.DeleteThis@nospamyahoo.com> wrote
> >>
> >> > Q. Can a PC with OEM Windows XP have its motherboard upgraded and keep
> >> > the
> >> > same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?
> >> >
> >> > A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components
> >> > on
> >> > your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for
> >> > the
> >> > original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the
> >> > exception of
> >> > an
> >> > upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the
> >> > motherboard
> >> > is
> >> > considered to result in a "new personal computer" to which
> >> > Microsoft® OEM
> >> > operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer.
> >> > If
> >> > the
> >> > motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect,
> >> > then
> >> > a
> >> > new computer has been created and the license of new operating system
> >> > software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is
> >> > defective,
> >> > you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.
> >> >
> >> > The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user
> >> > license
> >> > agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by that EULA.
> >> > The
> >> > EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user by the PC
> >> > manufacturer
> >> > and relates only to rights for that software as installed on for that
> >> > particular PC. The System Builder is required to support the software
> >> > on
> >> > that
> >> > original PC. Understanding that end users, over time, upgrade their PC
> >> > with
> >> > different components, Microsoft needed to have one base component "left
> >> > standing" that would still define that original PC. Since the
> >> > motherboard
> >> > contains the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the
> >> > motherboard
> >> > is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially
> >> > created.
> >> > The original System Builder, therefore, can not be expected to support
> >> > this
> >> > new PC that they in effect, did not manufacture.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Carey Frisch
> >>
> >> Why oh why do you insist on posting this that does not apply to an end
> >> user,
> >> Carey? It's been pointed out to you numerous times yet you keep posting
> >> it.
> >> Are you dense or what?
> >>
> >> Alias
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? |
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Since: May 20, 2004 Posts: 10
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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I guess we are going to take the plunge and try this out. The PC was bought
with Windows XP installed - and it is going to be moved, not copied. The
hardware on the original PC has been upgraded already over the years, adding
a new video card, another HDD, fans, memory, DVD writer - how is that
different from upgrading the motherboard and CPU? I haven't bought a new PC
ever since my Commodore 64 that wasn't upgraded as much as possible until it
outlived its usefullness, and Microsoft has a lot of my money!
Mich
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:ekv9A5M2FHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004.RemoveThis@nospamyahoo.com> wrote
>
>> It certainly applies to an end-user! You have no clue as
>> to the licensing stipulations of OEM versions of Windows
>> XP. Please refrain from responding to questions regarding
>> OEM licensing since your replys are purely non-sense,
>> mis-leading, confusing, and do more harm then good
>> to the OP who is seeking trustworthy advice!
>>
>> Direct quotes from the Resourc Guide to Windows Licensing:
>>
>> "OEM Windows Desktop operating systems preinstalled on a PC
>> CANNOT BE TRANSFERRED or reassigned to another machine.
>> The license is ALWAYS TIED to the ORIGINAL SYSTEM in which it
>> was installed, even if the PC is no longer in use. The software
>> media, manuals, and Certificate of Authenticity may only be
>> transferred to another end user if the PC on which it was installed
>> is also transferred."
>>
>> "OEM versions are intended for system builders only and cannot be
>> transferred to another PC once it is installed. Purchasers of this
>> software
>> are required to comply with the terms of the System Builder License,
>> including responsibility for providing all end-user support."
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>
> Um, who said anything about transfering the OS to another PC? He is
> upgrading his PC by replacing a few components and that's perfectly kosher
> and you know it. Do you get some kind of vicarious thrill from scaring
> newbies into buying a retail version of Windows? Upgrading or replacing a
> motherboard is not mentioned in the END USER'S -- NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH
> SYSTEM BUILDER THAT YOUR COPY AND PASTE ADDRESSES, EULA. Period. I have
> three OEM EULAs, two in Spanish and one in English and NONE of them say
> ANYTHING about a motherboard being the defining hardware that constitutes
> a computer and, if I want to upgrade from a Mobo that can only take 2x AGP
> to one that can take 8x, I can. Or if I want to upgrade to one that can
> take 333 memory instead of 266, I can. Essentially, over time, I could
> upgrade the computer's components completely except for one screw and it
> will still only be installed on ONE computer and not transferred to
> another. Yaknow, a PC, not a MAC.
>
> Alias
>>
>>
>> "Alias" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004.RemoveThis@nospamyahoo.com> wrote
>>>
>>> > Q. Can a PC with OEM Windows XP have its motherboard upgraded and keep
>>> > the
>>> > same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?
>>> >
>>> > A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware
>>> > components on
>>> > your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for
>>> > the
>>> > original MicrosoftÃ,® OEM operating system software, with the
>>> > exception of
>>> > an
>>> > upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the
>>> > motherboard
>>> > is
>>> > considered to result in a "new personal computer" to which
>>> > MicrosoftÃ,® OEM
>>> > operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer.
>>> > If
>>> > the
>>> > motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect,
>>> > then
>>> > a
>>> > new computer has been created and the license of new operating system
>>> > software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is
>>> > defective,
>>> > you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.
>>> >
>>> > The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user
>>> > license
>>> > agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by that EULA.
>>> > The
>>> > EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user by the PC
>>> > manufacturer
>>> > and relates only to rights for that software as installed on for that
>>> > particular PC. The System Builder is required to support the software
>>> > on
>>> > that
>>> > original PC. Understanding that end users, over time, upgrade their PC
>>> > with
>>> > different components, Microsoft needed to have one base component
>>> > "left
>>> > standing" that would still define that original PC. Since the
>>> > motherboard
>>> > contains the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the
>>> > motherboard
>>> > is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially
>>> > created.
>>> > The original System Builder, therefore, can not be expected to support
>>> > this
>>> > new PC that they in effect, did not manufacture.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Carey Frisch
>>>
>>> Why oh why do you insist on posting this that does not apply to an end
>>> user,
>>> Carey? It's been pointed out to you numerous times yet you keep posting
>>> it.
>>> Are you dense or what?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? |
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Since: May 14, 2005 Posts: 298
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004.RemoveThis@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:14964A14-4B78-4220-9FB4-5D359DB830F5@microsoft.com...
> You have confirmed how little knowledge you have of
> the restrictions of OEM licensing agreements.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
Really? Can you respond to content or merely hurl a childish ad hominem?
Alias
> Microsoft MVP Joke
> Windows XP - Shell/User
>
>
> "Alias" wrote:
>
>>
>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004.RemoveThis@nospamyahoo.com> wrote
>>
>> > It certainly applies to an end-user! You have no clue as
>> > to the licensing stipulations of OEM versions of Windows
>> > XP. Please refrain from responding to questions regarding
>> > OEM licensing since your replys are purely non-sense,
>> > mis-leading, confusing, and do more harm then good
>> > to the OP who is seeking trustworthy advice!
>> >
>> > Direct quotes from the Resourc Guide to Windows Licensing:
>> >
>> > "OEM Windows Desktop operating systems preinstalled on a PC
>> > CANNOT BE TRANSFERRED or reassigned to another machine.
>> > The license is ALWAYS TIED to the ORIGINAL SYSTEM in which it
>> > was installed, even if the PC is no longer in use. The software
>> > media, manuals, and Certificate of Authenticity may only be
>> > transferred to another end user if the PC on which it was installed
>> > is also transferred."
>> >
>> > "OEM versions are intended for system builders only and cannot be
>> > transferred to another PC once it is installed. Purchasers of this
>> > software
>> > are required to comply with the terms of the System Builder License,
>> > including responsibility for providing all end-user support."
>> >
>> > --
>> > Carey Frisch
>> > Microsoft MVP
>> > Windows XP - Shell/User
>>
>> Um, who said anything about transfering the OS to another PC? He is
>> upgrading his PC by replacing a few components and that's perfectly
>> kosher
>> and you know it. Do you get some kind of vicarious thrill from scaring
>> newbies into buying a retail version of Windows? Upgrading or replacing a
>> motherboard is not mentioned in the END USER'S -- NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH
>> SYSTEM BUILDER THAT YOUR COPY AND PASTE ADDRESSES, EULA. Period. I have
>> three OEM EULAs, two in Spanish and one in English and NONE of them say
>> ANYTHING about a motherboard being the defining hardware that constitutes
>> a
>> computer and, if I want to upgrade from a Mobo that can only take 2x AGP
>> to
>> one that can take 8x, I can. Or if I want to upgrade to one that can take
>> 333 memory instead of 266, I can. Essentially, over time, I could upgrade
>> the computer's components completely except for one screw and it will
>> still
>> only be installed on ONE computer and not transferred to another. Yaknow,
>> a
>> PC, not a MAC.
>>
>> Alias
>> >
>> >
>> > "Alias" wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004.RemoveThis@nospamyahoo.com> wrote
>> >>
>> >> > Q. Can a PC with OEM Windows XP have its motherboard upgraded and
>> >> > keep
>> >> > the
>> >> > same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?
>> >> >
>> >> > A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware
>> >> > components
>> >> > on
>> >> > your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license
>> >> > for
>> >> > the
>> >> > original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the
>> >> > exception of
>> >> > an
>> >> > upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the
>> >> > motherboard
>> >> > is
>> >> > considered to result in a "new personal computer" to which
>> >> > Microsoft® OEM
>> >> > operating system software cannot be transferred from another
>> >> > computer.
>> >> > If
>> >> > the
>> >> > motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect,
>> >> > then
>> >> > a
>> >> > new computer has been created and the license of new operating
>> >> > system
>> >> > software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is
>> >> > defective,
>> >> > you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the
>> >> > PC.
>> >> >
>> >> > The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user
>> >> > license
>> >> > agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by that
>> >> > EULA.
>> >> > The
>> >> > EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user by the PC
>> >> > manufacturer
>> >> > and relates only to rights for that software as installed on for
>> >> > that
>> >> > particular PC. The System Builder is required to support the
>> >> > software
>> >> > on
>> >> > that
>> >> > original PC. Understanding that end users, over time, upgrade their
>> >> > PC
>> >> > with
>> >> > different components, Microsoft needed to have one base component
>> >> > "left
>> >> > standing" that would still define that original PC. Since the
>> >> > motherboard
>> >> > contains the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the
>> >> > motherboard
>> >> > is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially
>> >> > created.
>> >> > The original System Builder, therefore, can not be expected to
>> >> > support
>> >> > this
>> >> > new PC that they in effect, did not manufacture.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Carey Frisch
>> >>
>> >> Why oh why do you insist on posting this that does not apply to an end
>> >> user,
>> >> Carey? It's been pointed out to you numerous times yet you keep
>> >> posting
>> >> it.
>> >> Are you dense or what?
>> >>
>> >> Alias
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>> >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? |
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Since: Aug 26, 2004 Posts: 1699
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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You may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on
your computer and maintain the license for the
OEM operating system software, with the exception of an
upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer"
to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be reused.
If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a
defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system
software is required.
--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/
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"M Skabialka" wrote:
| I guess we are going to take the plunge and try this out. The PC was bought
| with Windows XP installed - and it is going to be moved, not copied. The
| hardware on the original PC has been upgraded already over the years, adding
| a new video card, another HDD, fans, memory, DVD writer - how is that
| different from upgrading the motherboard and CPU? I haven't bought a new PC
| ever since my Commodore 64 that wasn't upgraded as much as possible until it
| outlived its usefullness, and Microsoft has a lot of my money!
|
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Since: May 14, 2005 Posts: 298
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:15 pm
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch.RemoveThis@nospamgmail.com> wrote
> You may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on
> your computer and maintain the license for the
> OEM operating system software, with the exception of an
> upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong.
> An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal
> computer"
> to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be reused.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong.
> If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a
> defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new
> operating system
> software is required.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP Joke
Not doing too well, Carey. Nowhere in the end user's generic OEM EULA does
it mention a motherboard and you know it. Why do you lie?
To Mich: read the one on your computer if you don't believe me. I have read
mine. Why Carey wants to scare newbies into paying extra for a retail copy
when it is not necessary is beyond me.
Alias
> Windows - Shell/User
> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "M Skabialka" wrote:
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> | I guess we are going to take the plunge and try this out. The PC was
> bought
> | with Windows XP installed - and it is going to be moved, not copied.
> The
> | hardware on the original PC has been upgraded already over the years,
> adding
> | a new video card, another HDD, fans, memory, DVD writer - how is that
> | different from upgrading the motherboard and CPU? I haven't bought a
> new PC
> | ever since my Commodore 64 that wasn't upgraded as much as possible
> until it
> | outlived its usefullness, and Microsoft has a lot of my money!
> |
> | Mich
> >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? |
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:15 pm
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As I mentioned earlier, you should not be offering
any advice regarding Microsoft OEM licensing since
you have a bad habit of distorting the facts.
--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
"Alias" wrote:
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch.DeleteThis@nospamgmail.com> wrote
>
> > You may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on
> > your computer and maintain the license for the
> > OEM operating system software, with the exception of an
> > upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
>
> BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong.
>
> > An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal
> > computer"
> > to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be reused.
>
> BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong.
>
> > If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a
> > defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new
> > operating system
> > software is required.
>
> BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong
>
> > --
> > Carey Frisch
> > Microsoft MVP Joke
>
> Not doing too well, Carey. Nowhere in the end user's generic OEM EULA does
> it mention a motherboard and you know it. Why do you lie?
>
> To Mich: read the one on your computer if you don't believe me. I have read
> mine. Why Carey wants to scare newbies into paying extra for a retail copy
> when it is not necessary is beyond me.
>
> Alias
>
> > Windows - Shell/User
> > Microsoft Community Newsgroups
> > news://msnews.microsoft.com/
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "M Skabialka" wrote:
> >
> > | I guess we are going to take the plunge and try this out. The PC was
> > bought
> > | with Windows XP installed - and it is going to be moved, not copied.
> > The
> > | hardware on the original PC has been upgraded already over the years,
> > adding
> > | a new video card, another HDD, fans, memory, DVD writer - how is that
> > | different from upgrading the motherboard and CPU? I haven't bought a
> > new PC
> > | ever since my Commodore 64 that wasn't upgraded as much as possible
> > until it
> > | outlived its usefullness, and Microsoft has a lot of my money!
> > |
> > | Mich
> >
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? |
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:41 pm
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In message <#SU0xTN2FHA.1576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl> "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
<cnfrisch RemoveThis @nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>You may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on
>your computer and maintain the license for the
>OEM operating system software, with the exception of an
>upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
>
>An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer"
> to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be reused.
>If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a
>defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system
>software is required.
So if I damage the old motherboard then I'm okay to go?
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:41 pm
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No, unless you wish to become a liar and a fraud.
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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
"DevilsPGD" wrote:
> In message <#SU0xTN2FHA.1576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl> "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
> <cnfrisch.TakeThisOut@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
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> >You may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on
> >your computer and maintain the license for the
> >OEM operating system software, with the exception of an
> >upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
> >
> >An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer"
> > to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be reused.
> >If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a
> >defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system
> >software is required.
>
> So if I damage the old motherboard then I'm okay to go?
>
> --
> Do not taunt zombie badgers
> >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? |
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:15 pm
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004 DeleteThis @nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:972A9B94-A4D5-4688-AAAD-FD2E3217A16A@microsoft.com...
> As I mentioned earlier, you should not be offering
> any advice regarding Microsoft OEM licensing since
> you have a bad habit of distorting the facts.
Really? YOU are accusing me of distorting the facts when that's exactly what
YOU do? Ever hear of the pyschological term "projecting"?
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP Joke
> Windows XP - Shell/User
When you can respond to content and back up your assertions, get back to me.
What I should or should not do is not something you decide. If you don't
like my posts, kill file me. You do know how to do that, don't you?
Alias
>
>
> "Alias" wrote:
>
>>
>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch DeleteThis @nospamgmail.com> wrote
>>
>> > You may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on
>> > your computer and maintain the license for the
>> > OEM operating system software, with the exception of an
>> > upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
>>
>> BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong.
>>
>> > An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new
>> > personal
>> > computer"
>> > to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be reused.
>>
>> BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong.
>>
>> > If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a
>> > defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new
>> > operating system
>> > software is required.
>>
>> BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong
>>
>> > --
>> > Carey Frisch
>> > Microsoft MVP Joke
>>
>> Not doing too well, Carey. Nowhere in the end user's generic OEM EULA
>> does
>> it mention a motherboard and you know it. Why do you lie?
>>
>> To Mich: read the one on your computer if you don't believe me. I have
>> read
>> mine. Why Carey wants to scare newbies into paying extra for a retail
>> copy
>> when it is not necessary is beyond me.
>>
>> Alias
>>
>> > Windows - Shell/User
>> > Microsoft Community Newsgroups
>> > news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>> >
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > "M Skabialka" wrote:
>> >
>> > | I guess we are going to take the plunge and try this out. The PC was
>> > bought
>> > | with Windows XP installed - and it is going to be moved, not copied.
>> > The
>> > | hardware on the original PC has been upgraded already over the years,
>> > adding
>> > | a new video card, another HDD, fans, memory, DVD writer - how is that
>> > | different from upgrading the motherboard and CPU? I haven't bought a
>> > new PC
>> > | ever since my Commodore 64 that wasn't upgraded as much as possible
>> > until it
>> > | outlived its usefullness, and Microsoft has a lot of my money!
>> > |
>> > | Mich
>> >
>>
>>
>> >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? |
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:48 pm
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You will need to purchase a new copy. OEM versions are not transferable.
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Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"M Skabialka" <mskabialka.DeleteThis@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote in message
news:OXNQP6K2FHA.3756@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> We have a 2 1/2 yr old machine which came from the manufacturer with no
> copy of Windows XP Home, only a restore disk. On the occasion that we had
> to use it, there was no option to reinstall Windows, only to reformat and
> start over.
>
> We bought a really fast CPU and fan on sale and realized that it is not
> compatible with the motherboard on this machine, so then went out and
> bought a new case and motherboard. We would like to move everything else
> from the first machine (NIC, RAM, HDD, CD-RW, Video adapter, fans, etc)
> and have a new faster machine.
>
> However, when we put the hard drive in (which works OK now) onto the new
> machine, what will it do to the Windows XP Home that is on the HDD but
> thinks it belongs to the other motherboard and CPU?
>
> Will it let this happen or totally scramble everything?
>
> We are going to ghost it first just in case, but does anyone else have
> experience, good or bad, doing this?
>
> Since we already own this copy of Win XP Home, we don't want to have to
> buy it again. The other machine will be gutted and useless.
>
> Thanks,
> Mich
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? |
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:49 pm
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Carey is not wrong--upgrading the motherboard constitutes a new PC and the
old license for XP is void.
--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:%23mZlcLL2FHA.3192@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka DeleteThis @NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote
>
>> Does it make a difference if I put the new motherboard and CPU in the old
>> case?
>
> Carey, as usual, is wrong. You cannot, however, use the restore CD because
> it was made for the previous motherboard and tied to its BIOS, not
> because, as Carey says, it's a "different computer". Had the original
> seller of the computer given you a generic OEM, yes, it would be an
> upgrade not a new computer like the misnamed "MVP" Carey says. I would
> recommend you buy a generic OEM, not a retail version if you want to save
> money and try a repair install after backing up your data on the HD first
> and, if that doesn't work, a clean install. As you live in Alabama, check
> out:
>
> http://www.walmart.com/search/browse-ng.do?ref=125875.126122+500854.42...71607&p
>
> Alias
>>
>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch DeleteThis @nospamgmail.com> wrote
>
>>> You cannot transfer the license for a preinstalled OEM
>>> version of Windows XP to a different computer. The
>>> license is directly tied to the original computer's hardware.
>>>
>>> You'll need to purchase a conventional version of
>>> Windows XP for your new computer.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carey Frisch
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> Windows - Shell/User
>>> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "M Skabialka" wrote:
>>>
>>> | We have a 2 1/2 yr old machine which came from the manufacturer with
>>> no copy
>>> | of Windows XP Home, only a restore disk. On the occasion that we had
>>> to use
>>> | it, there was no option to reinstall Windows, only to reformat and
>>> start
>>> | over.
>>> |
>>> | We bought a really fast CPU and fan on sale and realized that it is
>>> not
>>> | compatible with the motherboard on this machine, so then went out and
>>> bought
>>> | a new case and motherboard. We would like to move everything else
>>> from the
>>> | first machine (NIC, RAM, HDD, CD-RW, Video adapter, fans, etc) and
>>> have a
>>> | new faster machine.
>>> |
>>> | However, when we put the hard drive in (which works OK now) onto the
>>> new
>>> | machine, what will it do to the Windows XP Home that is on the HDD but
>>> | thinks it belongs to the other motherboard and CPU?
>>> |
>>> | Will it let this happen or totally scramble everything?
>>> |
>>> | We are going to ghost it first just in case, but does anyone else have
>>> | experience, good or bad, doing this?
>>> |
>>> | Since we already own this copy of Win XP Home, we don't want to have
>>> to buy
>>> | it again. The other machine will be gutted and useless.
>>> |
>>> | Thanks,
>>> | Mich
>>>
>>
>>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? |
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:49 pm
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In message <#XJQw3P2FHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl> "Larry Samuels"
<larry RemoveThis @mvps.org> wrote:
>Carey is not wrong--upgrading the motherboard constitutes a new PC and the
>old license for XP is void.
Can you point out where in the OEM EULA it says that?
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:49 pm
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It's not spelled out in the EULA. But it is in the
System Builder EULA. You assume the role of
a System Builder if you use an OEM version of
Windows XP and change the motherboard.
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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
"DevilsPGD" wrote:
> In message <#XJQw3P2FHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl> "Larry Samuels"
> <larry.TakeThisOut@mvps.org> wrote:
>
> >Carey is not wrong--upgrading the motherboard constitutes a new PC and the
> >old license for XP is void.
>
> Can you point out where in the OEM EULA it says that?
>
> --
> Do not taunt zombie badgers
> >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? |
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:15 pm
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"Larry Samuels" <larry.DeleteThis@mvps.org> wrote
> Carey is not wrong--upgrading the motherboard constitutes a new PC and the
> old license for XP is void.
>
> --
> Larry Samuels Associate Expert
Not according to the EULA I agreed to in Spanish on two computers and in
English on one computer before installing. There's no mention of the word
"motherboard" in either EULA. I just read them again to make sure that SP2
didn't change anything and it didn't. Do you, like Carey, have a reading
comprehension problem?
FYI, I changed a motherboard on one of my computers the other day and it
activated online with no problem.
Sooooooooo, I have the EULA that says nothing about a motherboard and I have
the actual proof of a seamless online activation.
What have you got besides "I said so"? And, before you do it, don't post the
systems builder web site that requires a password to view as that is NOT the
EULA I agreed to.
Next thing you're going to tell me is I have to buy some hardware with a
generic Windows XP Home or Pro OEM, which I don't.
Alias
> MS-MVP (2001-2005)
> Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
> http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
> Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:%23mZlcLL2FHA.3192@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka.DeleteThis@NOSPAMdrc.com> wrote
>>
>>> Does it make a difference if I put the new motherboard and CPU in the
>>> old case?
>>
>> Carey, as usual, is wrong. You cannot, however, use the restore CD
>> because it was made for the previous motherboard and tied to its BIOS,
>> not because, as Carey says, it's a "different computer". Had the original
>> seller of the computer given you a generic OEM, yes, it would be an
>> upgrade not a new computer like the misnamed "MVP" Carey says. I would
>> recommend you buy a generic OEM, not a retail version if you want to save
>> money and try a repair install after backing up your data on the HD first
>> and, if that doesn't work, a clean install. As you live in Alabama, check
>> out:
>>
>> http://www.walmart.com/search/browse-ng.do?ref=125875.126122+500854.42...71607&p
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch.DeleteThis@nospamgmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>> You cannot transfer the license for a preinstalled OEM
>>>> version of Windows XP to a different computer. The
>>>> license is directly tied to the original computer's hardware.
>>>>
>>>> You'll need to purchase a conventional version of
>>>> Windows XP for your new computer.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carey Frisch
>>>> Microsoft MVP
>>>> Windows - Shell/User
>>>> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> "M Skabialka" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> | We have a 2 1/2 yr old machine which came from the manufacturer with
>>>> no copy
>>>> | of Windows XP Home, only a restore disk. On the occasion that we had
>>>> to use
>>>> | it, there was no option to reinstall Windows, only to reformat and
>>>> start
>>>> | over.
>>>> |
>>>> | We bought a really fast CPU and fan on sale and realized that it is
>>>> not
>>>> | compatible with the motherboard on this machine, so then went out and
>>>> bought
>>>> | a new case and motherboard. We would like to move everything else
>>>> from the
>>>> | first machine (NIC, RAM, HDD, CD-RW, Video adapter, fans, etc) and
>>>> have a
>>>> | new faster machine.
>>>> |
>>>> | However, when we put the hard drive in (which works OK now) onto the
>>>> new
>>>> | machine, what will it do to the Windows XP Home that is on the HDD
>>>> but
>>>> | thinks it belongs to the other motherboard and CPU?
>>>> |
>>>> | Will it let this happen or totally scramble everything?
>>>> |
>>>> | We are going to ghost it first just in case, but does anyone else
>>>> have
>>>> | experience, good or bad, doing this?
>>>> |
>>>> | Since we already own this copy of Win XP Home, we don't want to have
>>>> to buy
>>>> | it again. The other machine will be gutted and useless.
>>>> |
>>>> | Thanks,
>>>> | Mich
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:15 pm
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004.RemoveThis@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It's not spelled out in the EULA. But it is in the
> System Builder EULA. You assume the role of
> a System Builder if you use an OEM version of
> Windows XP and change the motherboard.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
Puhlease. I am an end user, not a computer company. I only build computers
for myself, no one else. I never signed up for the system builder program
and the only thing I agreed to was the EULA I got when I purchased the
software. No system builder EULA to agree to when I installed the software.
Give it up, Carey, you're wrong. Now be a man and admit it.
Alias
>
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> "DevilsPGD" wrote:
>
>> In message <#XJQw3P2FHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl> "Larry Samuels"
>> <larry.RemoveThis@mvps.org> wrote:
>>
>> >Carey is not wrong--upgrading the motherboard constitutes a new PC and
>> >the
>> >old license for XP is void.
>>
>> Can you point out where in the OEM EULA it says that?
>>
>> --
>> Do not taunt zombie badgers
>> >> Stay informed about: Can I move an OEM WinXP HDD to a new machine? |
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