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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:10 pm
Post subject: Windows 98 safe mode
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Hi there
Wonder if anyone can help me and my daughter. Her pc
crashed and on restarting windows 98 will only start in
safe mode. It also doesn't appear to recognise the 'd'
drive. I'm sure this is old hat to loads of you out
there but if you could give us a guiding hand we'd be
grateful.
Many thanks

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Bill Starbuck

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:31 pm
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Non-recognition of the D: drive (which I assume is a CD-ROM) could
indicate hardware trouble. The ability to deal with CD-ROMs is built
into Win98. However, I wouldn't worry about the CD-ROM until I got
Windows running.

First look at these documents to see whether they are relevant to your
situation:

Windows 98 or Windows 95 Defaults to Safe Mode [Q143283]
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q143283

The Computer Always Starts in Safe Mode [Q306615]
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q306615

Thereafter, troubleshooting should follow this logic:

1. Start Win95/98 in Safe Mode.
If the trouble does not appear in Safe Mode, then the trouble is
caused by software conflicts or defects. Investigate each of the
functions that Safe Mode turns off.

2. If the trouble also occurs in Safe Mode, rename the current Windows
folder and reinstall Win95/98 into an empty folder.
If the trouble does not appear with a fresh installation, the trouble
is caused by something you have added to Win95/98 (but something that
is not turned off by Safe Mode).

3. If the trouble occurs even with a fresh install of Windows, the
trouble is arising in hardware.

Safe Mode does the following:
(a) bypasses config.sys and autoexec.bat
(b) prevents programs from starting automatically (from win.ini
or the startup folder)
(c) uses standard VGA video
(d) prevents a network from being started
(e) disables protected mode device drivers (those listed in
Device Manager)
(f) bypasses the [boot] and [386Enh] sections of system.ini
For more details, see document 122051 in the Microsoft KnowledgeBase.

If Safe Mode makes the problem go away, you can try tests from the
list below to pin down the cause of the problem. For more elaborate
instructions, see document 156126 in the KnowledgeBase, which explains
how to do troubleshooting in Safe Mode.

With Windows 98, you can use MSConfig to help you run the tests below.
With Windows 95, you can use Startup Control Panel. Startup Control
Panel is similar to the Msconfig utility that ships in Windows 98. It
can make troubleshooting easier by removing and restoring items from
the Windows startup. You can get Startup Control Panel as freeware
from:

http://home.ptd.net/~don5408/toolbox/startupcpl/

Startup Cop can also disable items loading at Windows startup and it
is freeware. You can download Startup Cop from:

http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,,77594,.html

Yet another option is msconfig.exe as adapted to Win95:

http://www2.whidbey.net/djdenham/Msconfig.htm

1. Change the video driver to Microsoft's Standard Display Adapter
(VGA). Restart Windows and test.

2. Rename the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat to Config.sss and
Autoexec.bbb, or edit them so that the only things loading are
absolutely necessary for the computer to run. The latter items might
be a SCSI driver for the harddrive, or disk management software for an
EIDE drive. Deactivate EVERYTHING else by putting REM in front of
that line. Reboot the computer and test.

3. Remove EVERYTHING from the Start Menu/Startup folder by dragging
their icons onto the desktop. Also disable or uninstall all utilities
that are running TSR (such as Norton Navigator, SoftRam or Macafee
AV). Restart Windows and test.

4. Rename the Win.ini and System.ini to Win.iii and System.iii. Then
make a copy of System.cb and name it System.ini. Do not rename
System.cb itself. Edit the new System.ini as follows: Add
device=*vmd
to the [386Enh] section, and add
drivers=mmsystem.dll
mouse.drv=mouse.drv
to the [boot] section. Restart Windows. You probably will have no
mouse so you'll have to use keystrokes to do the following. Go into
Device Manager and select the mouse (which will have a yellow
exclamation point). Click "Remove." Again, restart Windows. Windows
should find the mouse and install software for it. Test.

5. With Windows 98, run the System File Checker. Go to Start/Run and
enter "sfc".

6. Rename the current Windows folder (directory). Then install
Win95/98 to a new, empty folder. Test. If problem does not occur, it
was caused by something in the old installation. I recommend that you
keep this new installation and reinstall your Windows applications.

When you reinstall applications, install Windows applications that
were written for Win95/98 or WinNT but do not install older
applications that were written for Windows 3.x. Install only one
application at a time and test the system thoroughly before installing
another application. Before you install and application, make a system
snapshot with a program such as ConfigSafe; this will allow you to
revert to the previous situation if (when) you install an application
that causes trouble. With Win98, it is also possible to run "ScanReg
/Backup" before you install an application, which allows you to
restore the Registry if (when) you install an application that causes
trouble. However, it is safer to make a complete system backup and
recovery with ConfigSafe or a similar product.

The following articles explain how to install into a new folder:

How to Reinstall Windows 95 to a New Folder [142096]
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/142/0/96.asp

How to Install Windows 98 to a New Folder [193902]
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/193/9/02.asp

Information about reinstalling is also on www.windowsreinstall.com.


Bill Starbuck (MVP)

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:24 pm
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In Safe Mode, the CD-ROM will not be functional, unless special measures
are taken, namely...
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=194846
Access CD-ROM in Safe Mode

However, it is best to get out of Safe Mode. Read Starbuck's post.
Also...

The F5 key pressed at boot leads to Safe Mode. To see whether it is
sticky, open Explorer, where F5 now means "Refresh". Does the screen
constantly blink? (Well, I guess that would happen on the Desktop too.)

There is a branch entitled "Now that I've installed my program, Windows
98 starts only in Safe mode." at "START, Help, Contents,
Troubleshooting, Windows 98 Troubleshooters, DirectX section". (If you
encounter blank Help screens there, then...
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q188867
Troubleshooting Windows 98 Startup Problems. This article contains a
link to what it says is the equivalent of the Windows Help
Troubleshooters...
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot
That's it.)

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q143283
W98 Defaults to Safe Mode
It says, delete "Wnbootng.sts", if you have it.

"START, FIND, F/F, Wnbootng.sts". (Should be in C:\Windows.)
R-Clk it, & select "Delete"

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q306615
Always Starts in Safe Mode

Here is a way to edit MSDOS.sys. This is an important file.

(1) You won't even see it, unless "START, Settings, Folder Options, View
tab" is bolted "Show all files"; may as well uncheck "Hide file
extensions..." too.
(2) Find "C:\MSDOS.sys" and back it up. Call the backup MSDOS.bck, in
C:\.
(3) Then, R-Clk "C:\MSDOS.sys", Properties, and uncheck Read-Only.

(4) Open it in Notepad, delete the "BootSafe=1", or change it to "=0",
save it, & quit Notepad.

(5) Then, R-Clk MSDOS.sys again, and make it Read-Only. Reboot.
(6) Can't reboot? Then, in DOS, copy the backup over the one you've
mussed.
(a) ATTRIB -R -S -H C:\MSDOS.sys
(b) COPY C:\MSDOS.bck C:\MSDOS.sys
(c) ATTRIB +R +S +H C:\MSDOS.sys

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q118/5/79.asp
Contents of the Windows Msdos.sys File


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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
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| Hi there
| Wonder if anyone can help me and my daughter. Her pc
| crashed and on restarting windows 98 will only start in
| safe mode. It also doesn't appear to recognise the 'd'
| drive. I'm sure this is old hat to loads of you out
| there but if you could give us a guiding hand we'd be
| grateful.
| Many thanks
|
|
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