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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:13 am
Post subject: Start up problem
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| I can only restart my computer normally when unplugging both of my IDE
Controllers from the mother board. I can start up in safemode. How do I fix
this so I can reboot normally with both controllers plugged in?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Start up problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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You still have not replied to MVP Bill Blanton's request in your thread from last
week on the same subject (in win98.gen_discussion) to post a log from partinfo.exe
Bill's reply from your other thread:
<quote>
Does it just "see" the drive as in, it shows it, or does it show it
as having an 80GB capacity?
Either way, running the WD setup program when you installed the
drive may have installed the overlay. They have been known to sometimes
do that, even when not needed.
If there was data on the drive, and the overlay boot code was wiped, it may be
a simple case of reinstalling the overlay. If you're not worried about the
data, and your BIOS can handle an 80GB drive, then wiping the MBR sector
may be sufficient to start over clean without needing an overlay.
To help find out what is on the disk, before proceeding with anything else that
may make matters worse, you could post a partinfo output.
Download partinfo.exe Unzip it to a 98 DOS boot floppy. Boot with the
floppy, and enter
partinfo > a:\partinfo.txt
(note the spaces and >)
Open a:\partinfo.txt in notepad
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/partinfo.zip
</quote>
As I have asked previously, please stick with your original thread instead of
starting new ones with no pertinent info. This is at least your third thread on the
subject, and you still have not given Bill the partinfo results.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EDAFBCB9-FE98-4469-BFB5-4F26F556F723@microsoft.com...
> My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing the
> drive.
>
> "Bill Blanton" wrote:
>
>> If you ran "a:\fdisk /mbr", and there was a drive overlay/manager installed
>> to allow full access to the 80GB disk , then that would explain why you can
>> no longer see any drives on the 80GB disk.
>>
>> Does your BIOS "see" 80GB, or do remember how you set up the drive?
>> Did you use the WD "setup" program?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:A7D25351-C5F2-471A-B6AB-CEC329676C73@microsoft.com...
>> > Hey, I found the website that began all these problems when my cd drives
>> > weren't working. Through the command line I ran:
>> > a:\fdisk\mbr
>>
>> >> >>>Drive Interface Connection Capicity
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>Drive 1 SCSI on SCSC controller 18 Gb
>> >> >>>>Drive 2 IDE Primary Master CD Disk
>> >> >>>>Drive 3 IDE Primary Slave CD Disk
>> >> >>>>Drive 4 IDE Secondary Master 80 Bb
>> >> >>>>Drive 5 IDE Secondary Slave Zip Disk
>> >> >>>
>>
>>
>>
"Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9E7709A9-F825-4D3E-B80D-302A092543DF@microsoft.com...
>I can only restart my computer normally when unplugging both of my IDE
> Controllers from the mother board. I can start up in safemode. How do I fix
> this so I can reboot normally with both controllers plugged in? |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:37 am
Post subject: Re: Start up problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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It's kinda hard to post the partinfo for the drive in question when I can't
get the machine to start up with the damn drive plugged in. Now, I'm open to
you helping me so either help or don't reply. I've posted replys back to Bill
yesterday but there's no response and I'm tired of waiting and wasting an
entire day for a response that doesn't come. So I'm not going to put all my
eggs in his basket. You seem to know what has been going on since you're my
internet dad so why is it you don't have anything usefull to add in fixing my
IDE problems?????
"glee" wrote:
> You still have not replied to MVP Bill Blanton's request in your thread from last
> week on the same subject (in win98.gen_discussion) to post a log from partinfo.exe
>
> Bill's reply from your other thread:
>
> <quote>
>
> Does it just "see" the drive as in, it shows it, or does it show it
> as having an 80GB capacity?
>
> Either way, running the WD setup program when you installed the
> drive may have installed the overlay. They have been known to sometimes
> do that, even when not needed.
>
> If there was data on the drive, and the overlay boot code was wiped, it may be
> a simple case of reinstalling the overlay. If you're not worried about the
> data, and your BIOS can handle an 80GB drive, then wiping the MBR sector
> may be sufficient to start over clean without needing an overlay.
>
> To help find out what is on the disk, before proceeding with anything else that
> may make matters worse, you could post a partinfo output.
>
> Download partinfo.exe Unzip it to a 98 DOS boot floppy. Boot with the
> floppy, and enter
> partinfo > a:\partinfo.txt
> (note the spaces and >)
> Open a:\partinfo.txt in notepad
>
> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/partinfo.zip
>
> </quote>
>
> As I have asked previously, please stick with your original thread instead of
> starting new ones with no pertinent info. This is at least your third thread on the
> subject, and you still have not given Bill the partinfo results.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Mathers" <Mathers RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EDAFBCB9-FE98-4469-BFB5-4F26F556F723@microsoft.com...
> > My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing the
> > drive.
> >
> > "Bill Blanton" wrote:
> >
> >> If you ran "a:\fdisk /mbr", and there was a drive overlay/manager installed
> >> to allow full access to the 80GB disk , then that would explain why you can
> >> no longer see any drives on the 80GB disk.
> >>
> >> Does your BIOS "see" 80GB, or do remember how you set up the drive?
> >> Did you use the WD "setup" program?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mathers" <Mathers RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:A7D25351-C5F2-471A-B6AB-CEC329676C73@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hey, I found the website that began all these problems when my cd drives
> >> > weren't working. Through the command line I ran:
> >> > a:\fdisk\mbr
> >>
> >> >> >>>Drive Interface Connection Capicity
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>Drive 1 SCSI on SCSC controller 18 Gb
> >> >> >>>>Drive 2 IDE Primary Master CD Disk
> >> >> >>>>Drive 3 IDE Primary Slave CD Disk
> >> >> >>>>Drive 4 IDE Secondary Master 80 Bb
> >> >> >>>>Drive 5 IDE Secondary Slave Zip Disk
> >> >> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> "Mathers" <Mathers RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9E7709A9-F825-4D3E-B80D-302A092543DF@microsoft.com...
> >I can only restart my computer normally when unplugging both of my IDE
> > Controllers from the mother board. I can start up in safemode. How do I fix
> > this so I can reboot normally with both controllers plugged in?
>
> >> Stay informed about: Start up problem |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:00 am
Post subject: Re: Start up problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I *am* trying to help you. Your post here left out almost all pertinent info, such
as the fact that your boot drive is SCSI. Also, your thread "Primary IDE Controller
error" in win98.gen_discussion has no reply from you to Bill Blanton after 3 August,
and no reply to his last post.
You stated in your *last* post to that thread:
<quote>"My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing the
drive"</quote>
How do you know the BIOS "sees" the 80GB drive if the machine won't start up with
the drive plugged in? If you can get to the boot screens recognising the drive
while it is connected, then you should be able to follow Bill's instructions to run
partinfo *From a Floppy Boot*.
Can you get at least as far as the boot screens and BIOS setup with the drive
connected?
Can you boot with a boot floppy while the drive is connected?
Do you have access to another computer where you can install the drive as a slave
and try to run partinfo *from a boot floppy*?
I doubt you will find anyone in the groups with more knowledge than Bill of hard
drives and boot issues, so I suggest you avail yourself of his expertise. Whether
you choose to is up to you.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C8FB4A61-F795-4D87-8A56-24AF44963081@microsoft.com...
> It's kinda hard to post the partinfo for the drive in question when I can't
> get the machine to start up with the damn drive plugged in. Now, I'm open to
> you helping me so either help or don't reply. I've posted replys back to Bill
> yesterday but there's no response and I'm tired of waiting and wasting an
> entire day for a response that doesn't come. So I'm not going to put all my
> eggs in his basket. You seem to know what has been going on since you're my
> internet dad so why is it you don't have anything usefull to add in fixing my
> IDE problems?????
>
> "glee" wrote:
>
>> You still have not replied to MVP Bill Blanton's request in your thread from last
>> week on the same subject (in win98.gen_discussion) to post a log from
>> partinfo.exe
>>
>> Bill's reply from your other thread:
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>> Does it just "see" the drive as in, it shows it, or does it show it
>> as having an 80GB capacity?
>>
>> Either way, running the WD setup program when you installed the
>> drive may have installed the overlay. They have been known to sometimes
>> do that, even when not needed.
>>
>> If there was data on the drive, and the overlay boot code was wiped, it may be
>> a simple case of reinstalling the overlay. If you're not worried about the
>> data, and your BIOS can handle an 80GB drive, then wiping the MBR sector
>> may be sufficient to start over clean without needing an overlay.
>>
>> To help find out what is on the disk, before proceeding with anything else that
>> may make matters worse, you could post a partinfo output.
>>
>> Download partinfo.exe Unzip it to a 98 DOS boot floppy. Boot with the
>> floppy, and enter
>> partinfo > a:\partinfo.txt
>> (note the spaces and >)
>> Open a:\partinfo.txt in notepad
>>
>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/partinfo.zip
>>
>> </quote>
>>
>> As I have asked previously, please stick with your original thread instead of
>> starting new ones with no pertinent info. This is at least your third thread on
>> the
>> subject, and you still have not given Bill the partinfo results.
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:EDAFBCB9-FE98-4469-BFB5-4F26F556F723@microsoft.com...
>> > My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing the
>> > drive.
>> >
>> > "Bill Blanton" wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you ran "a:\fdisk /mbr", and there was a drive overlay/manager installed
>> >> to allow full access to the 80GB disk , then that would explain why you can
>> >> no longer see any drives on the 80GB disk.
>> >>
>> >> Does your BIOS "see" 80GB, or do remember how you set up the drive?
>> >> Did you use the WD "setup" program?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:A7D25351-C5F2-471A-B6AB-CEC329676C73@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hey, I found the website that began all these problems when my cd drives
>> >> > weren't working. Through the command line I ran:
>> >> > a:\fdisk\mbr
>> >>
>> >> >> >>>Drive Interface Connection Capicity
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>Drive 1 SCSI on SCSC controller 18 Gb
>> >> >> >>>>Drive 2 IDE Primary Master CD Disk
>> >> >> >>>>Drive 3 IDE Primary Slave CD Disk
>> >> >> >>>>Drive 4 IDE Secondary Master 80 Bb
>> >> >> >>>>Drive 5 IDE Secondary Slave Zip Disk
>> >> >> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> "Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9E7709A9-F825-4D3E-B80D-302A092543DF@microsoft.com...
>> >I can only restart my computer normally when unplugging both of my IDE
>> > Controllers from the mother board. I can start up in safemode. How do I fix
>> > this so I can reboot normally with both controllers plugged in?
>>
>> >> Stay informed about: Start up problem |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:25 am
Post subject: Re: Start up problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I've replied TWICE to Bills last post with partinfo and stated that I can
only get the machine to boot into safemode with the drive plugged in. And
when running partinfo in safemode with the drive plugged in freezes my
machine right after launching the program. I can get into the BIOS at the
startup screen by hitting del, detect IDE Devices, and it reads the 80GB
drive. Is this not the way to see what the BIOS sees? I have been considering
hooking it up to another machine. I didn't get back to Bill for those few
days because I had to go out of town. I guess I forgot to have you sign my
permission slip. Truth is is that I didn't think you'd let me go to the zoo
with all the other kids so I forged your signature. Sorry about that. Your
the best internet dad in the whole wide world!! Any other ideas for a
freezing machine?
"glee" wrote:
> I *am* trying to help you. Your post here left out almost all pertinent info, such
> as the fact that your boot drive is SCSI. Also, your thread "Primary IDE Controller
> error" in win98.gen_discussion has no reply from you to Bill Blanton after 3 August,
> and no reply to his last post.
>
> You stated in your *last* post to that thread:
> <quote>"My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing the
> drive"</quote>
> How do you know the BIOS "sees" the 80GB drive if the machine won't start up with
> the drive plugged in? If you can get to the boot screens recognising the drive
> while it is connected, then you should be able to follow Bill's instructions to run
> partinfo *From a Floppy Boot*.
>
> Can you get at least as far as the boot screens and BIOS setup with the drive
> connected?
> Can you boot with a boot floppy while the drive is connected?
> Do you have access to another computer where you can install the drive as a slave
> and try to run partinfo *from a boot floppy*?
>
> I doubt you will find anyone in the groups with more knowledge than Bill of hard
> drives and boot issues, so I suggest you avail yourself of his expertise. Whether
> you choose to is up to you.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Mathers" <Mathers.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C8FB4A61-F795-4D87-8A56-24AF44963081@microsoft.com...
> > It's kinda hard to post the partinfo for the drive in question when I can't
> > get the machine to start up with the damn drive plugged in. Now, I'm open to
> > you helping me so either help or don't reply. I've posted replys back to Bill
> > yesterday but there's no response and I'm tired of waiting and wasting an
> > entire day for a response that doesn't come. So I'm not going to put all my
> > eggs in his basket. You seem to know what has been going on since you're my
> > internet dad so why is it you don't have anything usefull to add in fixing my
> > IDE problems?????
> >
> > "glee" wrote:
> >
> >> You still have not replied to MVP Bill Blanton's request in your thread from last
> >> week on the same subject (in win98.gen_discussion) to post a log from
> >> partinfo.exe
> >>
> >> Bill's reply from your other thread:
> >>
> >> <quote>
> >>
> >> Does it just "see" the drive as in, it shows it, or does it show it
> >> as having an 80GB capacity?
> >>
> >> Either way, running the WD setup program when you installed the
> >> drive may have installed the overlay. They have been known to sometimes
> >> do that, even when not needed.
> >>
> >> If there was data on the drive, and the overlay boot code was wiped, it may be
> >> a simple case of reinstalling the overlay. If you're not worried about the
> >> data, and your BIOS can handle an 80GB drive, then wiping the MBR sector
> >> may be sufficient to start over clean without needing an overlay.
> >>
> >> To help find out what is on the disk, before proceeding with anything else that
> >> may make matters worse, you could post a partinfo output.
> >>
> >> Download partinfo.exe Unzip it to a 98 DOS boot floppy. Boot with the
> >> floppy, and enter
> >> partinfo > a:\partinfo.txt
> >> (note the spaces and >)
> >> Open a:\partinfo.txt in notepad
> >>
> >> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/partinfo.zip
> >>
> >> </quote>
> >>
> >> As I have asked previously, please stick with your original thread instead of
> >> starting new ones with no pertinent info. This is at least your third thread on
> >> the
> >> subject, and you still have not given Bill the partinfo results.
> >> --
> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mathers" <Mathers.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:EDAFBCB9-FE98-4469-BFB5-4F26F556F723@microsoft.com...
> >> > My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing the
> >> > drive.
> >> >
> >> > "Bill Blanton" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If you ran "a:\fdisk /mbr", and there was a drive overlay/manager installed
> >> >> to allow full access to the 80GB disk , then that would explain why you can
> >> >> no longer see any drives on the 80GB disk.
> >> >>
> >> >> Does your BIOS "see" 80GB, or do remember how you set up the drive?
> >> >> Did you use the WD "setup" program?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mathers" <Mathers.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:A7D25351-C5F2-471A-B6AB-CEC329676C73@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Hey, I found the website that began all these problems when my cd drives
> >> >> > weren't working. Through the command line I ran:
> >> >> > a:\fdisk\mbr
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>Drive Interface Connection Capicity
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 1 SCSI on SCSC controller 18 Gb
> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 2 IDE Primary Master CD Disk
> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 3 IDE Primary Slave CD Disk
> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 4 IDE Secondary Master 80 Bb
> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 5 IDE Secondary Slave Zip Disk
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> "Mathers" <Mathers.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:9E7709A9-F825-4D3E-B80D-302A092543DF@microsoft.com...
> >> >I can only restart my computer normally when unplugging both of my IDE
> >> > Controllers from the mother board. I can start up in safemode. How do I fix
> >> > this so I can reboot normally with both controllers plugged in?
> >>
> >>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Start up problem |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:49 am
Post subject: Re: Start up problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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OK, I have looked through your original thread in win98.gen_discussion on three
different servers, and they all show your last reply to Bill was on August 3, there
were only two posts and replies between you and Bill, and you did not state any of
the info in those two replies that you claim to have posted to him. Did you perhaps
email him instead of posting?
BE THAT AS IT MAY, you state you can boot into Safe Mode with the problem drive
plugged in. If you can start in Safe Mode with the drive plugged in, you surely can
boot with a boot floppy while the drive is plugged in. If you also copy the
executable file "partinfo.exe" to the boot floppy, you can run it from the command
prompt while booted from the floppy.
Boot with the floppy, type the following and press Enter:
partinfo > a:\partinfo.txt
(note the spaces and >)
Take the floppy to another machine, open a:\partinfo.txt in notepad, copy and paste
the results to me or to Bill.
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/partinfo.zip
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"Mathers" <Mathers DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:43E374AB-D8F2-4ACA-9918-E2CDD9BF1837@microsoft.com...
> I've replied TWICE to Bills last post with partinfo and stated that I can
> only get the machine to boot into safemode with the drive plugged in. And
> when running partinfo in safemode with the drive plugged in freezes my
> machine right after launching the program. I can get into the BIOS at the
> startup screen by hitting del, detect IDE Devices, and it reads the 80GB
> drive. Is this not the way to see what the BIOS sees? I have been considering
> hooking it up to another machine. I didn't get back to Bill for those few
> days because I had to go out of town. I guess I forgot to have you sign my
> permission slip. Truth is is that I didn't think you'd let me go to the zoo
> with all the other kids so I forged your signature. Sorry about that. Your
> the best internet dad in the whole wide world!! Any other ideas for a
> freezing machine?
>
> "glee" wrote:
>
>> I *am* trying to help you. Your post here left out almost all pertinent info,
>> such
>> as the fact that your boot drive is SCSI. Also, your thread "Primary IDE
>> Controller
>> error" in win98.gen_discussion has no reply from you to Bill Blanton after 3
>> August,
>> and no reply to his last post.
>>
>> You stated in your *last* post to that thread:
>> <quote>"My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing the
>> drive"</quote>
>> How do you know the BIOS "sees" the 80GB drive if the machine won't start up with
>> the drive plugged in? If you can get to the boot screens recognising the drive
>> while it is connected, then you should be able to follow Bill's instructions to
>> run
>> partinfo *From a Floppy Boot*.
>>
>> Can you get at least as far as the boot screens and BIOS setup with the drive
>> connected?
>> Can you boot with a boot floppy while the drive is connected?
>> Do you have access to another computer where you can install the drive as a slave
>> and try to run partinfo *from a boot floppy*?
>>
>> I doubt you will find anyone in the groups with more knowledge than Bill of hard
>> drives and boot issues, so I suggest you avail yourself of his expertise.
>> Whether
>> you choose to is up to you.
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "Mathers" <Mathers DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C8FB4A61-F795-4D87-8A56-24AF44963081@microsoft.com...
>> > It's kinda hard to post the partinfo for the drive in question when I can't
>> > get the machine to start up with the damn drive plugged in. Now, I'm open to
>> > you helping me so either help or don't reply. I've posted replys back to Bill
>> > yesterday but there's no response and I'm tired of waiting and wasting an
>> > entire day for a response that doesn't come. So I'm not going to put all my
>> > eggs in his basket. You seem to know what has been going on since you're my
>> > internet dad so why is it you don't have anything usefull to add in fixing my
>> > IDE problems?????
>> >
>> > "glee" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You still have not replied to MVP Bill Blanton's request in your thread from
>> >> last
>> >> week on the same subject (in win98.gen_discussion) to post a log from
>> >> partinfo.exe
>> >>
>> >> Bill's reply from your other thread:
>> >>
>> >> <quote>
>> >>
>> >> Does it just "see" the drive as in, it shows it, or does it show it
>> >> as having an 80GB capacity?
>> >>
>> >> Either way, running the WD setup program when you installed the
>> >> drive may have installed the overlay. They have been known to sometimes
>> >> do that, even when not needed.
>> >>
>> >> If there was data on the drive, and the overlay boot code was wiped, it may be
>> >> a simple case of reinstalling the overlay. If you're not worried about the
>> >> data, and your BIOS can handle an 80GB drive, then wiping the MBR sector
>> >> may be sufficient to start over clean without needing an overlay.
>> >>
>> >> To help find out what is on the disk, before proceeding with anything else
>> >> that
>> >> may make matters worse, you could post a partinfo output.
>> >>
>> >> Download partinfo.exe Unzip it to a 98 DOS boot floppy. Boot with the
>> >> floppy, and enter
>> >> partinfo > a:\partinfo.txt
>> >> (note the spaces and >)
>> >> Open a:\partinfo.txt in notepad
>> >>
>> >> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/partinfo.zip
>> >>
>> >> </quote>
>> >>
>> >> As I have asked previously, please stick with your original thread instead of
>> >> starting new ones with no pertinent info. This is at least your third thread
>> >> on
>> >> the
>> >> subject, and you still have not given Bill the partinfo results.
>> >> --
>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Mathers" <Mathers DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:EDAFBCB9-FE98-4469-BFB5-4F26F556F723@microsoft.com...
>> >> > My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing the
>> >> > drive.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Bill Blanton" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> If you ran "a:\fdisk /mbr", and there was a drive overlay/manager installed
>> >> >> to allow full access to the 80GB disk , then that would explain why you can
>> >> >> no longer see any drives on the 80GB disk.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Does your BIOS "see" 80GB, or do remember how you set up the drive?
>> >> >> Did you use the WD "setup" program?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Mathers" <Mathers DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:A7D25351-C5F2-471A-B6AB-CEC329676C73@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Hey, I found the website that began all these problems when my cd drives
>> >> >> > weren't working. Through the command line I ran:
>> >> >> > a:\fdisk\mbr
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>Drive Interface Connection Capicity
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 1 SCSI on SCSC controller 18 Gb
>> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 2 IDE Primary Master CD Disk
>> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 3 IDE Primary Slave CD Disk
>> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 4 IDE Secondary Master 80 Bb
>> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 5 IDE Secondary Slave Zip Disk
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> "Mathers" <Mathers DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:9E7709A9-F825-4D3E-B80D-302A092543DF@microsoft.com...
>> >> >I can only restart my computer normally when unplugging both of my IDE
>> >> > Controllers from the mother board. I can start up in safemode. How do I fix
>> >> > this so I can reboot normally with both controllers plugged in?
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Stay informed about: Start up problem |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:40 am
Post subject: Re: Start up problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Here's the two messages I replied to Bill with on Aug. 9th:
"It sees 80GB capacity. Do I run the overlay program from the western digital
set up cd? I can't get Windows to boot normally with my IDE controllers
plugged in. I have to remove both in order to boot normally. It will boot
into safemode only with the controllers plugged in. Can I run the overlay in
safemode?"
"I tried to run partinfo in safemode with the WD plugged in and it freezes
the
machine when it executes partinfo. With the WD unplugged from the motherboard
it runs just fine. Just to let you know."
That's odd that it doesn't show up. I have viewed these posts from four
different machines the last few days and they've all shown up as responses.
I'll try the partinfo thing again and hopefully it doesn't freeze my machine
like it did before. If it does I guess I'll install the drive on anonther
machine. That being the case, how can I start my machine normally with the
IDE controllers plugged in?
"glee" wrote:
> OK, I have looked through your original thread in win98.gen_discussion on three
> different servers, and they all show your last reply to Bill was on August 3, there
> were only two posts and replies between you and Bill, and you did not state any of
> the info in those two replies that you claim to have posted to him. Did you perhaps
> email him instead of posting?
>
> BE THAT AS IT MAY, you state you can boot into Safe Mode with the problem drive
> plugged in. If you can start in Safe Mode with the drive plugged in, you surely can
> boot with a boot floppy while the drive is plugged in. If you also copy the
> executable file "partinfo.exe" to the boot floppy, you can run it from the command
> prompt while booted from the floppy.
>
> Boot with the floppy, type the following and press Enter:
> partinfo > a:\partinfo.txt
> (note the spaces and >)
>
> Take the floppy to another machine, open a:\partinfo.txt in notepad, copy and paste
> the results to me or to Bill.
>
> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/partinfo.zip
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:43E374AB-D8F2-4ACA-9918-E2CDD9BF1837@microsoft.com...
> > I've replied TWICE to Bills last post with partinfo and stated that I can
> > only get the machine to boot into safemode with the drive plugged in. And
> > when running partinfo in safemode with the drive plugged in freezes my
> > machine right after launching the program. I can get into the BIOS at the
> > startup screen by hitting del, detect IDE Devices, and it reads the 80GB
> > drive. Is this not the way to see what the BIOS sees? I have been considering
> > hooking it up to another machine. I didn't get back to Bill for those few
> > days because I had to go out of town. I guess I forgot to have you sign my
> > permission slip. Truth is is that I didn't think you'd let me go to the zoo
> > with all the other kids so I forged your signature. Sorry about that. Your
> > the best internet dad in the whole wide world!! Any other ideas for a
> > freezing machine?
> >
> > "glee" wrote:
> >
> >> I *am* trying to help you. Your post here left out almost all pertinent info,
> >> such
> >> as the fact that your boot drive is SCSI. Also, your thread "Primary IDE
> >> Controller
> >> error" in win98.gen_discussion has no reply from you to Bill Blanton after 3
> >> August,
> >> and no reply to his last post.
> >>
> >> You stated in your *last* post to that thread:
> >> <quote>"My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing the
> >> drive"</quote>
> >> How do you know the BIOS "sees" the 80GB drive if the machine won't start up with
> >> the drive plugged in? If you can get to the boot screens recognising the drive
> >> while it is connected, then you should be able to follow Bill's instructions to
> >> run
> >> partinfo *From a Floppy Boot*.
> >>
> >> Can you get at least as far as the boot screens and BIOS setup with the drive
> >> connected?
> >> Can you boot with a boot floppy while the drive is connected?
> >> Do you have access to another computer where you can install the drive as a slave
> >> and try to run partinfo *from a boot floppy*?
> >>
> >> I doubt you will find anyone in the groups with more knowledge than Bill of hard
> >> drives and boot issues, so I suggest you avail yourself of his expertise.
> >> Whether
> >> you choose to is up to you.
> >> --
> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:C8FB4A61-F795-4D87-8A56-24AF44963081@microsoft.com...
> >> > It's kinda hard to post the partinfo for the drive in question when I can't
> >> > get the machine to start up with the damn drive plugged in. Now, I'm open to
> >> > you helping me so either help or don't reply. I've posted replys back to Bill
> >> > yesterday but there's no response and I'm tired of waiting and wasting an
> >> > entire day for a response that doesn't come. So I'm not going to put all my
> >> > eggs in his basket. You seem to know what has been going on since you're my
> >> > internet dad so why is it you don't have anything usefull to add in fixing my
> >> > IDE problems?????
> >> >
> >> > "glee" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> You still have not replied to MVP Bill Blanton's request in your thread from
> >> >> last
> >> >> week on the same subject (in win98.gen_discussion) to post a log from
> >> >> partinfo.exe
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill's reply from your other thread:
> >> >>
> >> >> <quote>
> >> >>
> >> >> Does it just "see" the drive as in, it shows it, or does it show it
> >> >> as having an 80GB capacity?
> >> >>
> >> >> Either way, running the WD setup program when you installed the
> >> >> drive may have installed the overlay. They have been known to sometimes
> >> >> do that, even when not needed.
> >> >>
> >> >> If there was data on the drive, and the overlay boot code was wiped, it may be
> >> >> a simple case of reinstalling the overlay. If you're not worried about the
> >> >> data, and your BIOS can handle an 80GB drive, then wiping the MBR sector
> >> >> may be sufficient to start over clean without needing an overlay.
> >> >>
> >> >> To help find out what is on the disk, before proceeding with anything else
> >> >> that
> >> >> may make matters worse, you could post a partinfo output.
> >> >>
> >> >> Download partinfo.exe Unzip it to a 98 DOS boot floppy. Boot with the
> >> >> floppy, and enter
> >> >> partinfo > a:\partinfo.txt
> >> >> (note the spaces and >)
> >> >> Open a:\partinfo.txt in notepad
> >> >>
> >> >> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/partinfo.zip
> >> >>
> >> >> </quote>
> >> >>
> >> >> As I have asked previously, please stick with your original thread instead of
> >> >> starting new ones with no pertinent info. This is at least your third thread
> >> >> on
> >> >> the
> >> >> subject, and you still have not given Bill the partinfo results.
> >> >> --
> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:EDAFBCB9-FE98-4469-BFB5-4F26F556F723@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing the
> >> >> > drive.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Bill Blanton" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> If you ran "a:\fdisk /mbr", and there was a drive overlay/manager installed
> >> >> >> to allow full access to the 80GB disk , then that would explain why you can
> >> >> >> no longer see any drives on the 80GB disk.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Does your BIOS "see" 80GB, or do remember how you set up the drive?
> >> >> >> Did you use the WD "setup" program?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:A7D25351-C5F2-471A-B6AB-CEC329676C73@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> > Hey, I found the website that began all these problems when my cd drives
> >> >> >> > weren't working. Through the command line I ran:
> >> >> >> > a:\fdisk\mbr
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>>Drive Interface Connection Capicity
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 1 SCSI on SCSC controller 18 Gb
> >> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 2 IDE Primary Master CD Disk
> >> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 3 IDE Primary Slave CD Disk
> >> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 4 IDE Secondary Master 80 Bb
> >> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 5 IDE Secondary Slave Zip Disk
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> "Mathers" <Mathers.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:9E7709A9-F825-4D3E-B80D-302A092543DF@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >I can only restart my computer normally when unplugging both of my IDE
> >> >> > Controllers from the mother board. I can start up in safemode. How do I fix
> >> >> > this so I can reboot normally with both controllers plugged in?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Start up problem |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:42 am
Post subject: Re: Start up problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I dunno why they do not appear here....aggravating, that. From Bill's lack of
reply, I suspect he did not see any replies either. Bummer.
Let us know when you try the floppy boot, and if partinfo supplies the text file
from there.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"Mathers" <Mathers DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:288B98E8-6964-4E3D-8C35-2A9FEACC05EB@microsoft.com...
> Here's the two messages I replied to Bill with on Aug. 9th:
> "It sees 80GB capacity. Do I run the overlay program from the western digital
> set up cd? I can't get Windows to boot normally with my IDE controllers
> plugged in. I have to remove both in order to boot normally. It will boot
> into safemode only with the controllers plugged in. Can I run the overlay in
> safemode?"
>
> "I tried to run partinfo in safemode with the WD plugged in and it freezes
> the
> machine when it executes partinfo. With the WD unplugged from the motherboard
> it runs just fine. Just to let you know."
>
> That's odd that it doesn't show up. I have viewed these posts from four
> different machines the last few days and they've all shown up as responses.
> I'll try the partinfo thing again and hopefully it doesn't freeze my machine
> like it did before. If it does I guess I'll install the drive on anonther
> machine. That being the case, how can I start my machine normally with the
> IDE controllers plugged in?
>
>
> "glee" wrote:
>
>> OK, I have looked through your original thread in win98.gen_discussion on three
>> different servers, and they all show your last reply to Bill was on August 3,
>> there
>> were only two posts and replies between you and Bill, and you did not state any
>> of
>> the info in those two replies that you claim to have posted to him. Did you
>> perhaps
>> email him instead of posting?
>>
>> BE THAT AS IT MAY, you state you can boot into Safe Mode with the problem drive
>> plugged in. If you can start in Safe Mode with the drive plugged in, you surely
>> can
>> boot with a boot floppy while the drive is plugged in. If you also copy the
>> executable file "partinfo.exe" to the boot floppy, you can run it from the
>> command
>> prompt while booted from the floppy.
>>
>> Boot with the floppy, type the following and press Enter:
>> partinfo > a:\partinfo.txt
>> (note the spaces and >)
>>
>> Take the floppy to another machine, open a:\partinfo.txt in notepad, copy and
>> paste
>> the results to me or to Bill.
>>
>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/partinfo.zip
>> --
>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>> "Mathers" <Mathers DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:43E374AB-D8F2-4ACA-9918-E2CDD9BF1837@microsoft.com...
>> > I've replied TWICE to Bills last post with partinfo and stated that I can
>> > only get the machine to boot into safemode with the drive plugged in. And
>> > when running partinfo in safemode with the drive plugged in freezes my
>> > machine right after launching the program. I can get into the BIOS at the
>> > startup screen by hitting del, detect IDE Devices, and it reads the 80GB
>> > drive. Is this not the way to see what the BIOS sees? I have been considering
>> > hooking it up to another machine. I didn't get back to Bill for those few
>> > days because I had to go out of town. I guess I forgot to have you sign my
>> > permission slip. Truth is is that I didn't think you'd let me go to the zoo
>> > with all the other kids so I forged your signature. Sorry about that. Your
>> > the best internet dad in the whole wide world!! Any other ideas for a
>> > freezing machine?
>> >
>> > "glee" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I *am* trying to help you. Your post here left out almost all pertinent info,
>> >> such
>> >> as the fact that your boot drive is SCSI. Also, your thread "Primary IDE
>> >> Controller
>> >> error" in win98.gen_discussion has no reply from you to Bill Blanton after 3
>> >> August,
>> >> and no reply to his last post.
>> >>
>> >> You stated in your *last* post to that thread:
>> >> <quote>"My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing
>> >> the
>> >> drive"</quote>
>> >> How do you know the BIOS "sees" the 80GB drive if the machine won't start up
>> >> with
>> >> the drive plugged in? If you can get to the boot screens recognising the
>> >> drive
>> >> while it is connected, then you should be able to follow Bill's instructions
>> >> to
>> >> run
>> >> partinfo *From a Floppy Boot*.
>> >>
>> >> Can you get at least as far as the boot screens and BIOS setup with the drive
>> >> connected?
>> >> Can you boot with a boot floppy while the drive is connected?
>> >> Do you have access to another computer where you can install the drive as a
>> >> slave
>> >> and try to run partinfo *from a boot floppy*?
>> >>
>> >> I doubt you will find anyone in the groups with more knowledge than Bill of
>> >> hard
>> >> drives and boot issues, so I suggest you avail yourself of his expertise.
>> >> Whether
>> >> you choose to is up to you.
>> >> --
>> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Mathers" <Mathers DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:C8FB4A61-F795-4D87-8A56-24AF44963081@microsoft.com...
>> >> > It's kinda hard to post the partinfo for the drive in question when I can't
>> >> > get the machine to start up with the damn drive plugged in. Now, I'm open to
>> >> > you helping me so either help or don't reply. I've posted replys back to
>> >> > Bill
>> >> > yesterday but there's no response and I'm tired of waiting and wasting an
>> >> > entire day for a response that doesn't come. So I'm not going to put all my
>> >> > eggs in his basket. You seem to know what has been going on since you're my
>> >> > internet dad so why is it you don't have anything usefull to add in fixing
>> >> > my
>> >> > IDE problems?????
>> >> >
>> >> > "glee" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> You still have not replied to MVP Bill Blanton's request in your thread
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> last
>> >> >> week on the same subject (in win98.gen_discussion) to post a log from
>> >> >> partinfo.exe
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bill's reply from your other thread:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <quote>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Does it just "see" the drive as in, it shows it, or does it show it
>> >> >> as having an 80GB capacity?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Either way, running the WD setup program when you installed the
>> >> >> drive may have installed the overlay. They have been known to sometimes
>> >> >> do that, even when not needed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If there was data on the drive, and the overlay boot code was wiped, it may
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> a simple case of reinstalling the overlay. If you're not worried about the
>> >> >> data, and your BIOS can handle an 80GB drive, then wiping the MBR sector
>> >> >> may be sufficient to start over clean without needing an overlay.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To help find out what is on the disk, before proceeding with anything else
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> may make matters worse, you could post a partinfo output.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Download partinfo.exe Unzip it to a 98 DOS boot floppy. Boot with the
>> >> >> floppy, and enter
>> >> >> partinfo > a:\partinfo.txt
>> >> >> (note the spaces and >)
>> >> >> Open a:\partinfo.txt in notepad
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/partinfo.zip
>> >> >>
>> >> >> </quote>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As I have asked previously, please stick with your original thread instead
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> starting new ones with no pertinent info. This is at least your third
>> >> >> thread
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> subject, and you still have not given Bill the partinfo results.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
>> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Mathers" <Mathers DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:EDAFBCB9-FE98-4469-BFB5-4F26F556F723@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > My BIOS sees the 80Gb drive. And yes, I used WD setup when installing the
>> >> >> > drive.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Bill Blanton" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> If you ran "a:\fdisk /mbr", and there was a drive overlay/manager
>> >> >> >> installed
>> >> >> >> to allow full access to the 80GB disk , then that would explain why you
>> >> >> >> can
>> >> >> >> no longer see any drives on the 80GB disk.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Does your BIOS "see" 80GB, or do remember how you set up the drive?
>> >> >> >> Did you use the WD "setup" program?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Mathers" <Mathers DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:A7D25351-C5F2-471A-B6AB-CEC329676C73@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> > Hey, I found the website that began all these problems when my cd
>> >> >> >> > drives
>> >> >> >> > weren't working. Through the command line I ran:
>> >> >> >> > a:\fdisk\mbr
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Drive Interface Connection Capicity
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 1 SCSI on SCSC controller 18 Gb
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 2 IDE Primary Master CD Disk
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 3 IDE Primary Slave CD Disk
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 4 IDE Secondary Master 80 Bb
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>Drive 5 IDE Secondary Slave Zip Disk
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> "Mathers" <Mathers DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:9E7709A9-F825-4D3E-B80D-302A092543DF@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >I can only restart my computer normally when unplugging both of my IDE
>> >> >> > Controllers from the mother board. I can start up in safemode. How do I
>> >> >> > fix
>> >> >> > this so I can reboot normally with both controllers plugged in?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Stay informed about: Start up problem |
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