configured email and unallocated hard disk space

In news:1164627171.607556.212970@l39g2000cwd.googlegroups.com,
Jane Logan had this to say:

My reply is in the middle of your sent message:

> Will copies of emails sent out through outlook or outlook express sit
> in allocated disk space of your hard drive OR unallocated disk space?

Maybe for a very short time - longer if they're saved in an outbox or sent
message folder, even longer if they're logged on the network.

> Is it possible for web based client emails to be found on allocated
> disk space of the hard drive?

More than likely not. Some slim chance that it would be in residual TIF but
most of those pages are dynamic languages such as PHP these days and thus
not completely saved, just presented to the browser and not really saved in
the TIF at all. You can open your TIF and look at .php pages and you'll see
that only some are saved.

> What kind of information is stored on unallocated disk space ?

Deleted stuff. Nothing. Random ones and zeros if it has been wiped.

Why do you ask? Did you lose something, are you trying to find something
from someone else, or are you trying to hide something?

If the answer is yes to any of the above you might want to be more specific
so that we may help you if we're able/willing. (Not too many people here are
willing to help you break laws or violate someone's privacy if that's what
you're after.)

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 >> Stay informed about: configured email and unallocated hard disk space 

Jane Logan wrote:

> Will copies of emails sent out through outlook or outlook express sit
> in allocated disk space of your hard drive OR unallocated disk space?


Unallocated disk space is space that is not in any partition. No, no E-mails
can be found there, because nothing is stored there.

Whether copies of sent mails are saved at all depends on the settings of
your E-mail client, but if they are saved, they have to be saved in
allocated space. Again, nothing can be saved in unallocated space.


> Is it possible for web based client emails to be found on allocated
> disk space of the hard drive?


Yes, they could possibly be in temporary internet files, or in the page
file.


> What kind of information is stored on unallocated disk space ?


None at all. It's completely inaccessible if it's not allocated.

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Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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 >> Stay informed about: configured email and unallocated hard disk space 

Jane Logan wrote:
> Will copies of emails sent out through outlook or outlook express sit
> in allocated disk space of your hard drive OR unallocated disk space?
>
> Is it possible for web based client emails to be found on allocated
> disk space of the hard drive?
>
>
> What kind of information is stored on unallocated disk space ?

There are various definitions of unallocated space depending on the context.
Here's apparently the one you're talking about:
http://www.forensics-intl.com/def8.html
 >> Stay informed about: configured email and unallocated hard disk space 

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> Jane Logan wrote:
>
>> Will copies of emails sent out through outlook or outlook express sit
>> in allocated disk space of your hard drive OR unallocated disk space?
>
>
> Unallocated disk space is space that is not in any partition. No, no
> E-mails can be found there, because nothing is stored there.
>
> Whether copies of sent mails are saved at all depends on the settings
> of your E-mail client, but if they are saved, they have to be saved in
> allocated space. Again, nothing can be saved in unallocated space.
>
>
>> Is it possible for web based client emails to be found on allocated
>> disk space of the hard drive?
>
>
> Yes, they could possibly be in temporary internet files, or in the
> page file.
>
>
>> What kind of information is stored on unallocated disk space ?
>
>
> None at all. It's completely inaccessible if it's not allocated.

You're correct, but ... there are dependencies on what it means based on
contect. Initially I had your take on this and then for grins decided to
check around; here's a different take on it that's new to me but apparently
not to a LOT of other people:
Found on wikipedia:
http://www.forensics-intl.com/def8.html
 >> Stay informed about: configured email and unallocated hard disk space 

Pop` wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>> Jane Logan wrote:
>>
>>> Will copies of emails sent out through outlook or outlook express
>>> sit in allocated disk space of your hard drive OR unallocated disk
>>> space?
>>
>>
>> Unallocated disk space is space that is not in any partition. No, no
>> E-mails can be found there, because nothing is stored there.
>>
>> Whether copies of sent mails are saved at all depends on the settings
>> of your E-mail client, but if they are saved, they have to be saved
>> in allocated space. Again, nothing can be saved in unallocated space.
>>
>>
>>> Is it possible for web based client emails to be found on allocated
>>> disk space of the hard drive?
>>
>>
>> Yes, they could possibly be in temporary internet files, or in the
>> page file.
>>
>>
>>> What kind of information is stored on unallocated disk space ?
>>
>>
>> None at all. It's completely inaccessible if it's not allocated.
>
> You're correct, but ... there are dependencies on what it means based
> on contect. Initially I had your take on this and then for grins
> decided to check around; here's a different take on it that's new to
> me but apparently not to a LOT of other people:
> Found on wikipedia:
> http://www.forensics-intl.com/def8.html


Interesting, thanks. It's always possible for anyone to use and define a
word in a non-standard way, and of course it's even possible to puiblish
such a non-standard definition.

This site's definition of the term is very much non-standard, as far as I'm
concerned.

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 >> Stay informed about: configured email and unallocated hard disk space 

They seem to be using the term unallocated file space as opposed to
unallocated disk space.

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake.TakeThisOut@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:O5WtfnlEHHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Pop` wrote:
>
>> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>> Jane Logan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will copies of emails sent out through outlook or outlook express
>>>> sit in allocated disk space of your hard drive OR unallocated disk
>>>> space?
>>>
>>>
>>> Unallocated disk space is space that is not in any partition. No, no
>>> E-mails can be found there, because nothing is stored there.
>>>
>>> Whether copies of sent mails are saved at all depends on the settings
>>> of your E-mail client, but if they are saved, they have to be saved
>>> in allocated space. Again, nothing can be saved in unallocated space.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is it possible for web based client emails to be found on allocated
>>>> disk space of the hard drive?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, they could possibly be in temporary internet files, or in the
>>> page file.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What kind of information is stored on unallocated disk space ?
>>>
>>>
>>> None at all. It's completely inaccessible if it's not allocated.
>>
>> You're correct, but ... there are dependencies on what it means based
>> on contect. Initially I had your take on this and then for grins
>> decided to check around; here's a different take on it that's new to
>> me but apparently not to a LOT of other people:
>> Found on wikipedia:
>> http://www.forensics-intl.com/def8.html
>
>
> Interesting, thanks. It's always possible for anyone to use and define a
> word in a non-standard way, and of course it's even possible to puiblish
> such a non-standard definition.
>
> This site's definition of the term is very much non-standard, as far as
> I'm concerned.
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
 >> Stay informed about: configured email and unallocated hard disk space 

Dave B. wrote:

> They seem to be using the term unallocated file space as opposed to
> unallocated disk space.


It's certainly likely that Jane meant something other than what she said,
but I don't know what it is, and I prefer not to guess (I don't even know
what *you* mean by "unallocated file space").

If I guess and guess wrong, I may just confuse the issue further, so I
prefer to answer the question as it was asked, and let Jane herself clarify
what she meant, if it wasn't what she said.

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Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake DeleteThis @this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:O5WtfnlEHHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Pop` wrote:
>>
>>> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>>> Jane Logan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Will copies of emails sent out through outlook or outlook express
>>>>> sit in allocated disk space of your hard drive OR unallocated disk
>>>>> space?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unallocated disk space is space that is not in any partition. No,
>>>> no E-mails can be found there, because nothing is stored there.
>>>>
>>>> Whether copies of sent mails are saved at all depends on the
>>>> settings of your E-mail client, but if they are saved, they have
>>>> to be saved in allocated space. Again, nothing can be saved in
>>>> unallocated space.
>>>>> Is it possible for web based client emails to be found on
>>>>> allocated disk space of the hard drive?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they could possibly be in temporary internet files, or in the
>>>> page file.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What kind of information is stored on unallocated disk space ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> None at all. It's completely inaccessible if it's not allocated.
>>>
>>> You're correct, but ... there are dependencies on what it means
>>> based on contect. Initially I had your take on this and then for
>>> grins decided to check around; here's a different take on it that's
>>> new to me but apparently not to a LOT of other people:
>>> Found on wikipedia:
>>> http://www.forensics-intl.com/def8.html
>>
>>
>> Interesting, thanks. It's always possible for anyone to use and
>> define a word in a non-standard way, and of course it's even
>> possible to puiblish such a non-standard definition.
>>
>> This site's definition of the term is very much non-standard, as far
>> as I'm concerned.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>> Please reply to the newsgroup
 >> Stay informed about: configured email and unallocated hard disk space 

I agree completely, personally I can only assume that unallocated file space
is someone's fancy term for free space. Definitely not an industry used
term.

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake DeleteThis @this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:OFsA5UmEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> It's certainly likely that Jane meant something other than what she said,
> but I don't know what it is, and I prefer not to guess (I don't even know
> what *you* mean by "unallocated file space").
>
> If I guess and guess wrong, I may just confuse the issue further, so I
> prefer to answer the question as it was asked, and let Jane herself
> clarify what she meant, if it wasn't what she said.
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
>
>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake DeleteThis @this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>> news:O5WtfnlEHHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Pop` wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>>>> Jane Logan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Will copies of emails sent out through outlook or outlook express
>>>>>> sit in allocated disk space of your hard drive OR unallocated disk
>>>>>> space?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unallocated disk space is space that is not in any partition. No,
>>>>> no E-mails can be found there, because nothing is stored there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether copies of sent mails are saved at all depends on the
>>>>> settings of your E-mail client, but if they are saved, they have
>>>>> to be saved in allocated space. Again, nothing can be saved in
>>>>> unallocated space.
>>>>>> Is it possible for web based client emails to be found on
>>>>>> allocated disk space of the hard drive?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, they could possibly be in temporary internet files, or in the
>>>>> page file.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What kind of information is stored on unallocated disk space ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> None at all. It's completely inaccessible if it's not allocated.
>>>>
>>>> You're correct, but ... there are dependencies on what it means
>>>> based on contect. Initially I had your take on this and then for
>>>> grins decided to check around; here's a different take on it that's
>>>> new to me but apparently not to a LOT of other people:
>>>> Found on wikipedia:
>>>> http://www.forensics-intl.com/def8.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting, thanks. It's always possible for anyone to use and
>>> define a word in a non-standard way, and of course it's even
>>> possible to puiblish such a non-standard definition.
>>>
>>> This site's definition of the term is very much non-standard, as far
>>> as I'm concerned.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>>> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: configured email and unallocated hard disk space