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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:48 am
Post subject: Windows Vista
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This question probably has been asked a hundred times,but i have to ask it
again.
Why are there so many complaints about Vista? Specifically,it seems that
many are now being told to upgrade to 2GB of memory as 1GB appears to be not
enough memory? I ask here ,as the world outside of Microsoft, generally
just doesn't like it. Throw in IE 7 and computing is a nightmare now.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Windows Vista [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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daswede wrote:
> This question probably has been asked a hundred times,but i have to
> ask it again.
>
> Why are there so many complaints about Vista?
Several points:
1. Many of what you call "complaints" are really questions in disguise. Such
as "why does Vista do this wrong?" The answer is often that Vista doesn't do
it wrong, but the person asking doesn't know how to use Vista properly.
2. Whenever a new version of *anything* comes out, you always read about
people having problems. But realize two things:
a. If you're reading about problems here in the newsgroups, this
where people come with
their problems, not with their successes. You get a very distorted
view
of what's going on in the real world here; as someone once said,
"hang
around a transmission shop and you will think that all cars have
transmission problems."
b. Most problems, by far, that people report in the newsgroup have
nothing
to do with defects in the software. They result from people's
ignorance,
from bad or inadequate hardware, from old drivers, from viruses,
from
spyware, and so on. And except for very rare situations, they
always get
a fix for their problems, and in most cases, that fix is a very
simple one
to implement.
3. Many complaints are posted by people who like to complain about almost
anything they can, especially if it's by Microsoft. They are often
anti-Microsoft zealots, Linux zealots, Macintosh zealots. They have a hidden
agenda, an axe to grind, and they look for opportunties to grind it.
> Specifically,it seems
> that many are now being told to upgrade to 2GB of memory as 1GB
> appears to be not enough memory?
Not true. As with older operating systems, how much RAM youi need for decent
performance depends on what apps you run, but for most people running
Visata, 1GB is sufficient.
> I ask here ,as the world outside
> of Microsoft, generally just doesn't like it. Throw in IE 7 and
> computing is a nightmare now. Opinions/facts appreciated.
I don't think it's a nightmare at all. I've been running Vista Ultimate for
over three months now--since November 18--and IE7 even longer. Both of have
completely stable, and I've had no problems at all with either.
--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Windows Vista [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Thank you both Shenan and Ken,
I believe you both are right in that one has to know what the need from
their hardware to perform the functions they desire.
Let me ask you: I have a 6 mos. old Dell computer with a 3.2 g pent. 4
proscesor, 1 gig mem., 160 gig harddrive. I use this for e-mail,surfing the
web,photos,etc. No gaming,exotic programming and such. So as you have
probably gathered i'm a novice,however i wanted to be prepared for the the
M.S. changes and updates
but would be pretty unhappy if i updated to MS programming and had troubles.
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
> daswede wrote:
>
> > This question probably has been asked a hundred times,but i have to
> > ask it again.
> >
> > Why are there so many complaints about Vista?
>
>
> Several points:
>
> 1. Many of what you call "complaints" are really questions in disguise. Such
> as "why does Vista do this wrong?" The answer is often that Vista doesn't do
> it wrong, but the person asking doesn't know how to use Vista properly.
>
> 2. Whenever a new version of *anything* comes out, you always read about
> people having problems. But realize two things:
>
> a. If you're reading about problems here in the newsgroups, this
> where people come with
> their problems, not with their successes. You get a very distorted
> view
> of what's going on in the real world here; as someone once said,
> "hang
> around a transmission shop and you will think that all cars have
> transmission problems."
>
> b. Most problems, by far, that people report in the newsgroup have
> nothing
> to do with defects in the software. They result from people's
> ignorance,
> from bad or inadequate hardware, from old drivers, from viruses,
> from
> spyware, and so on. And except for very rare situations, they
> always get
> a fix for their problems, and in most cases, that fix is a very
> simple one
> to implement.
>
> 3. Many complaints are posted by people who like to complain about almost
> anything they can, especially if it's by Microsoft. They are often
> anti-Microsoft zealots, Linux zealots, Macintosh zealots. They have a hidden
> agenda, an axe to grind, and they look for opportunties to grind it.
>
>
> > Specifically,it seems
> > that many are now being told to upgrade to 2GB of memory as 1GB
> > appears to be not enough memory?
>
>
> Not true. As with older operating systems, how much RAM youi need for decent
> performance depends on what apps you run, but for most people running
> Visata, 1GB is sufficient.
>
>
> > I ask here ,as the world outside
> > of Microsoft, generally just doesn't like it. Throw in IE 7 and
> > computing is a nightmare now. Opinions/facts appreciated.
>
>
> I don't think it's a nightmare at all. I've been running Vista Ultimate for
> over three months now--since November 18--and IE7 even longer. Both of have
> completely stable, and I've had no problems at all with either.
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Windows Vista |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Windows Vista [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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daswede wrote:
> This question probably has been asked a hundred times,but i have to
> ask it again.
>
> Why are there so many complaints about Vista? Specifically,it
> seems that many are now being told to upgrade to 2GB of memory as
> 1GB appears to be not enough memory? I ask here ,as the world
> outside of Microsoft, generally just doesn't like it. Throw in IE
> 7 and computing is a nightmare now. Opinions/facts appreciated.
Trolling? Doesn't really matter...
The fact is that opinions will vary. Those who really love Vista are less
likely to come to newsgroups (support) such as these and tell you how well
everything is working, how they have no problems, etc. After all - what
would they be doing hanging around and posting new things on a support
newsgroup?
Facts:
Windows Vista does require more memory/hard disk space/overall system power
and space than previous Microsoft OSes. Of course - there are few OSes
where that couldn't be said.
Windows Vista, by itself - would run okay with 1GB memory. When you start
adding other applications, well - you use more and more of that memory that
was happily being used by JUST Windows Vista. I always recommended between
512MB and 1GB (although more is better) for Windows XP. I recommend between
1GB and 2GB (although more is better) for Windows Vista. Where your needs
lie depends on what you will be using the computer for.
Computing may be a nightmare for some, but easy for others. Many people
will tell you to use *nix, others will tell you to use OS X, others will
tell you that Windows (XP/Vista) is the way to go... There may even be those
happy with Windows 9x/2000... Some sing the praises of DOS 6.x and before.
Depends on needs/wants.
The truth is - you can get all the opinions you want - until you try
somethjing and form your own opinion - all the rest is hot air/written text.
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >> Stay informed about: Windows Vista |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Windows Vista [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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daswede wrote:
> Thank you both Shenan and Ken,
You're welcome. Glad to help.
> I believe you both are right in that one has to know what the need
> from their hardware to perform the functions they desire.
> Let me ask you: I have a 6 mos. old Dell computer with a 3.2 g
> pent. 4 proscesor, 1 gig mem., 160 gig harddrive. I use this for
> e-mail,surfing the web,photos,etc. No gaming,exotic programming and
> such. So as you have probably gathered i'm a novice,however i wanted
> to be prepared for the the M.S. changes and updates
> but would be pretty unhappy if i updated to MS programming and had
> troubles.
Are you asking whether you should upgrade to Vista? It sounds like your
hardware is capable. But to be sure, first run the Vista Upgrade Advisor at
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/up...deadvis
But my view is that you're going about this backward. A change of operating
system should be driven by need, not just because there is a new version
available. Are you having a problem with Windows XP that you expect Vista to
solve? Do you have or expect to get new hardware or software that is
supported in Vista, but not in XP? Is there some new feature in Vista that
you need or yearn for? Does your job require you have skills in Vista? Are
you a computer hobbyist who enjoys playing with whatever is newest?
If the answer to one or more of those questions is yes (and your hardware is
adequate for Vista), then you should get Vista. Otherwise most people should
stick with what they have. There is *always* a learning curve and a
potential for problems when you take a step as big as this one, regardless
of how wonderful whatever you're contemplating moving to is. Sooner or later
you'll have to upgrade (to Vista or its successor) because you'll want
support for hardware or software that you can't get in XP, but don't rush
it.
--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup
> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>
>> daswede wrote:
>>
>>> This question probably has been asked a hundred times,but i have to
>>> ask it again.
>>>
>>> Why are there so many complaints about Vista?
>>
>>
>> Several points:
>>
>> 1. Many of what you call "complaints" are really questions in
>> disguise. Such as "why does Vista do this wrong?" The answer is
>> often that Vista doesn't do it wrong, but the person asking doesn't
>> know how to use Vista properly.
>>
>> 2. Whenever a new version of *anything* comes out, you always read
>> about people having problems. But realize two things:
>>
>> a. If you're reading about problems here in the newsgroups,
>> this where people come with
>> their problems, not with their successes. You get a very
>> distorted view
>> of what's going on in the real world here; as someone once
>> said, "hang
>> around a transmission shop and you will think that all
>> cars have transmission problems."
>>
>> b. Most problems, by far, that people report in the newsgroup
>> have nothing
>> to do with defects in the software. They result from
>> people's ignorance,
>> from bad or inadequate hardware, from old drivers, from
>> viruses, from
>> spyware, and so on. And except for very rare situations,
>> they always get
>> a fix for their problems, and in most cases, that fix is a
>> very simple one
>> to implement.
>>
>> 3. Many complaints are posted by people who like to complain about
>> almost anything they can, especially if it's by Microsoft. They are
>> often anti-Microsoft zealots, Linux zealots, Macintosh zealots. They
>> have a hidden agenda, an axe to grind, and they look for
>> opportunties to grind it.
>>
>>
>>> Specifically,it seems
>>> that many are now being told to upgrade to 2GB of memory as 1GB
>>> appears to be not enough memory?
>>
>>
>> Not true. As with older operating systems, how much RAM youi need
>> for decent performance depends on what apps you run, but for most
>> people running Visata, 1GB is sufficient.
>>
>>
>>> I ask here ,as the world outside
>>> of Microsoft, generally just doesn't like it. Throw in IE 7 and
>>> computing is a nightmare now. Opinions/facts appreciated.
>>
>>
>> I don't think it's a nightmare at all. I've been running Vista
>> Ultimate for over three months now--since November 18--and IE7 even
>> longer. Both of have completely stable, and I've had no problems at
>> all with either.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>> Please reply to the newsgroup >> Stay informed about: Windows Vista |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Windows Vista [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Well,so much for for the Vista upgrade check. I downloaded it twice because
i got a
messge that it could'nt run the program. I'll stay with just plain Windows
XP
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
> daswede wrote:
>
> > Thank you both Shenan and Ken,
>
>
> You're welcome. Glad to help.
>
>
> > I believe you both are right in that one has to know what the need
> > from their hardware to perform the functions they desire.
> > Let me ask you: I have a 6 mos. old Dell computer with a 3.2 g
> > pent. 4 proscesor, 1 gig mem., 160 gig harddrive. I use this for
> > e-mail,surfing the web,photos,etc. No gaming,exotic programming and
> > such. So as you have probably gathered i'm a novice,however i wanted
> > to be prepared for the the M.S. changes and updates
> > but would be pretty unhappy if i updated to MS programming and had
> > troubles.
>
>
> Are you asking whether you should upgrade to Vista? It sounds like your
> hardware is capable. But to be sure, first run the Vista Upgrade Advisor at
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/up...deadvis
>
> But my view is that you're going about this backward. A change of operating
> system should be driven by need, not just because there is a new version
> available. Are you having a problem with Windows XP that you expect Vista to
> solve? Do you have or expect to get new hardware or software that is
> supported in Vista, but not in XP? Is there some new feature in Vista that
> you need or yearn for? Does your job require you have skills in Vista? Are
> you a computer hobbyist who enjoys playing with whatever is newest?
>
> If the answer to one or more of those questions is yes (and your hardware is
> adequate for Vista), then you should get Vista. Otherwise most people should
> stick with what they have. There is *always* a learning curve and a
> potential for problems when you take a step as big as this one, regardless
> of how wonderful whatever you're contemplating moving to is. Sooner or later
> you'll have to upgrade (to Vista or its successor) because you'll want
> support for hardware or software that you can't get in XP, but don't rush
> it.
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
>
> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> daswede wrote:
> >>
> >>> This question probably has been asked a hundred times,but i have to
> >>> ask it again.
> >>>
> >>> Why are there so many complaints about Vista?
> >>
> >>
> >> Several points:
> >>
> >> 1. Many of what you call "complaints" are really questions in
> >> disguise. Such as "why does Vista do this wrong?" The answer is
> >> often that Vista doesn't do it wrong, but the person asking doesn't
> >> know how to use Vista properly.
> >>
> >> 2. Whenever a new version of *anything* comes out, you always read
> >> about people having problems. But realize two things:
> >>
> >> a. If you're reading about problems here in the newsgroups,
> >> this where people come with
> >> their problems, not with their successes. You get a very
> >> distorted view
> >> of what's going on in the real world here; as someone once
> >> said, "hang
> >> around a transmission shop and you will think that all
> >> cars have transmission problems."
> >>
> >> b. Most problems, by far, that people report in the newsgroup
> >> have nothing
> >> to do with defects in the software. They result from
> >> people's ignorance,
> >> from bad or inadequate hardware, from old drivers, from
> >> viruses, from
> >> spyware, and so on. And except for very rare situations,
> >> they always get
> >> a fix for their problems, and in most cases, that fix is a
> >> very simple one
> >> to implement.
> >>
> >> 3. Many complaints are posted by people who like to complain about
> >> almost anything they can, especially if it's by Microsoft. They are
> >> often anti-Microsoft zealots, Linux zealots, Macintosh zealots. They
> >> have a hidden agenda, an axe to grind, and they look for
> >> opportunties to grind it.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Specifically,it seems
> >>> that many are now being told to upgrade to 2GB of memory as 1GB
> >>> appears to be not enough memory?
> >>
> >>
> >> Not true. As with older operating systems, how much RAM youi need
> >> for decent performance depends on what apps you run, but for most
> >> people running Visata, 1GB is sufficient.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I ask here ,as the world outside
> >>> of Microsoft, generally just doesn't like it. Throw in IE 7 and
> >>> computing is a nightmare now. Opinions/facts appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think it's a nightmare at all. I've been running Vista
> >> Ultimate for over three months now--since November 18--and IE7 even
> >> longer. Both of have completely stable, and I've had no problems at
> >> all with either.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> >> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Windows Vista |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Windows Vista [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Shenan,
It's encouraging to read an 'unbiased and constructive' response
to the question raised !
Regards
Brian
"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23OBX56bXHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> daswede wrote:
>> This question probably has been asked a hundred times,but i have to
>> ask it again.
>>
>> Why are there so many complaints about Vista? Specifically,it
>> seems that many are now being told to upgrade to 2GB of memory as
>> 1GB appears to be not enough memory? I ask here ,as the world
>> outside of Microsoft, generally just doesn't like it. Throw in IE
>> 7 and computing is a nightmare now. Opinions/facts appreciated.
>
> Trolling? Doesn't really matter...
>
> The fact is that opinions will vary. Those who really love Vista are less
> likely to come to newsgroups (support) such as these and tell you how well
> everything is working, how they have no problems, etc. After all - what
> would they be doing hanging around and posting new things on a support
> newsgroup?
>
> Facts:
> Windows Vista does require more memory/hard disk space/overall system
> power and space than previous Microsoft OSes. Of course - there are few
> OSes where that couldn't be said.
>
> Windows Vista, by itself - would run okay with 1GB memory. When you start
> adding other applications, well - you use more and more of that memory
> that was happily being used by JUST Windows Vista. I always recommended
> between 512MB and 1GB (although more is better) for Windows XP. I
> recommend between 1GB and 2GB (although more is better) for Windows Vista.
> Where your needs lie depends on what you will be using the computer for.
>
> Computing may be a nightmare for some, but easy for others. Many people
> will tell you to use *nix, others will tell you to use OS X, others will
> tell you that Windows (XP/Vista) is the way to go... There may even be
> those happy with Windows 9x/2000... Some sing the praises of DOS 6.x and
> before. Depends on needs/wants.
>
> The truth is - you can get all the opinions you want - until you try
> somethjing and form your own opinion - all the rest is hot air/written
> text.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >> Stay informed about: Windows Vista |
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