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Doug Knox - [MS-MVP]

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:20 pm
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You need the appropriate IR emitter connected to the receiver. If your
receiver doesn't accomdate emitters, you'll need to purchase a different
one. Any time you tell MCE you're using anything other than a straight
aerial or "basic" cable connection, it will assume you're using a set-top
box and insist on having the IR emitters connected.

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"jcp411" <jcp411.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I have the basic same problem. I posted in detail about it at TechArena
> Community http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=713243
>
> "Just got an Alienwarem5700I-R2 laptop. Vista Ultimate with Windows Media
> Center. All I want to do is dub VHS tapes and the like from a VCR deck via
> composite video into the AVerMedia AVerTV USB MCE via USB into the laptop
> to
> edit down in Adobe Premiere. Everything works on setup in MC until it
> tries
> to detect IR Hardware.
>
> If I set it up manually and skip that then it won't let me view the
> composite feed coming in (or at least I haven't figured out how to do it).
> When I go through the manual setup and I get to the part to select where I
> see video in the preview window I can see the video playing in it. But the
> next step is the IR Hardware detection.
>
> I don't care about viewing or switching channels.
>
> Any ideas? "
>
> "dpic" wrote:
>
>> I have a ATI TV Wonder 650 pci card. The card worked fine with Xp with
>> ATI's
>> software, but when I try to setup Media Center under Vista it will not
>> allow
>> me to set up the card. I have the card connected via the composite
>> connections of the 650 card. During set-up I get to the place where I
>> get an
>> message that "IR Hardware not detected" and the installation will no
>> longer
>> continue. I can see a picture in the set-up window. But the setup
>> program
>> will not let continue past this point. I have tried different setup
>> configurations, but none allow me to use the composite connection from
>> the
>> ATI card without having the "IR hardware."
>>
>> Any help would greatly appreciated.

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:00 pm
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Microsoft needs to patch their software. Im in a simlar situation.

Basically, I bought windows vista and love to record my tv shows
through the direct cable input. However, I also like to record my xbox
360 to make videos of me playing. On xp, I simply used 3rd party
software and connected the 360 via composite. I find in vista
EVERYTHING is incompatible and nothing works, except media center of
course. I go to the guide and I see channels 2-120, which are my tv
channels, but I cannot see channel "0" or something which is my s-video
input. So I go to manually add it as a second tuner. The preview box
pops up and bam, I can see my xbox 360. As I click next, it does not
allow me to continue because I dont have IR hardware. WTF is this? I
just want to use media center to simply record into mpeg 2 my xbox
gaming. I will never change channel as I have a stationary feed
running through the s-video. No need for an IR hardware. Microsoft
needs to include a "skip step" option.

And I dont want to replace my current guide and tv set-up. I only want
to add the ability to change to another tuner input like I would with a
channel (how every other program does it). I tried windvr, power vcr,
wintv2000, sagetv. NOTHING works with vista. Something must be done.


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(Msg. 33) Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:01 pm
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I just tried ByondTV and its wizard also asks for IR hardware. It does
however let you continue even if you dont have any. I managed to get
the program working to record my xbox. Its a shame I cannot with media
center


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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:25 am
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This is a totally rediculous restriction.

Even if those at MS have extremely strong feelings about the IR
interface (as it appears, against all reason, that they do), -surely-
it is _obvious_ that IR control of an STB is -COMPLETELY- superfluous
to the -critical functions- of MCE, especially now that it's widely
available in Vista (as opposed to as only an OEM "appliance" as was the
case with XP-MCE).

I have an Hauppauge WINTV-PVR150 with the IR Blaster and it appears
that I'm unable to use MediaCenter even in -this- configuration. I am
inputting audio and video from my HD satellite receiver and have no
desire at all for MCE to manage the box. Even for unattended recording
the STB supports timed-channel changes with its own software.

-*_Jason_*: IR control might be a *nice OPTION*, but it is
_absolutely_*NOT*_critical_to_MCE's_functionality_!! As such, there's
*NO WAY* that correctly setting up MCE should be prevented because of
it!!! If there's any way at all to do so, please help us get this
glaringly absurd and completely senseless oversight fixed!-


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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:25 am
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Ideally, there would be no need for a set top box (that is, the computer
will control a tv tuner that can directly receive (as an example) hdtv
cable, digital cable, satellite etc).

However, until that becomes a reality, there is no other way for the
computer to control the input channel if you use a set top box, unless you
use the IR Receiver/Emitter.

Like it or not, that's the way it's been designed, for the COMPUTER to
control the channel changing ('you' can't be there at all times to change
the channel manually... surely you don't want to be a slave to the tv)

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> This is a totally rediculous restriction.
>
> Even if those at MS have extremely strong feelings about the IR
> interface (as it appears, against all reason, that they do), -surely-
> it is _obvious_ that IR control of an STB is -COMPLETELY- superfluous
> to the -critical functions- of MCE, especially now that it's widely
> available in Vista (as opposed to as only an OEM "appliance" as was the
> case with XP-MCE).
>
> I have an Hauppauge WINTV-PVR150 with the IR Blaster and it appears
> that I'm unable to use MediaCenter even in -this- configuration. I am
> inputting audio and video from my HD satellite receiver and have no
> desire at all for MCE to manage the box. Even for unattended recording
> the STB supports timed-channel changes with its own software.
>
> -*_Jason_*: IR control might be a *nice OPTION*, but it is
> _absolutely_*NOT*_critical_to_MCE's_functionality_!! As such, there's
> *NO WAY* that correctly setting up MCE should be prevented because of
> it!!! If there's any way at all to do so, please help us get this
> glaringly absurd and completely senseless oversight fixed!-
>
>
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:25 am
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And to your point stating " Even for unattended recording the STB supports
timed-channel changes with its own software.", Media Center can't count on
that to happen all the time.

That's why Media Center itself needs to control the channel changing (via
the IR receiver/emitter).

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>
> This is a totally rediculous restriction.
>
> Even if those at MS have extremely strong feelings about the IR
> interface (as it appears, against all reason, that they do), -surely-
> it is _obvious_ that IR control of an STB is -COMPLETELY- superfluous
> to the -critical functions- of MCE, especially now that it's widely
> available in Vista (as opposed to as only an OEM "appliance" as was the
> case with XP-MCE).
>
> I have an Hauppauge WINTV-PVR150 with the IR Blaster and it appears
> that I'm unable to use MediaCenter even in -this- configuration. I am
> inputting audio and video from my HD satellite receiver and have no
> desire at all for MCE to manage the box. Even for unattended recording
> the STB supports timed-channel changes with its own software.
>
> -*_Jason_*: IR control might be a *nice OPTION*, but it is
> _absolutely_*NOT*_critical_to_MCE's_functionality_!! As such, there's
> *NO WAY* that correctly setting up MCE should be prevented because of
> it!!! If there's any way at all to do so, please help us get this
> glaringly absurd and completely senseless oversight fixed!-
>
>
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:24 am
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> Media Center can't count on that to happen all the time.
What I want to know, then, is, -Why should it even *care*??- I mean, at
some point the user bears responsibility for his/her own actions. If the
MCE PC can change the channels when it wants, then great! -- but if it
can't, so what? Let the user deal with that, but at least let them use
the remaining functionality!!!

Look, I agree that in a perfect world, it _is_ a -nicer- thing if MCE
can change the channels for itself, but c'mon: It's not the computer's
responsibility to ensure that I wake up in the morning, or that I eat
3x a day, or go to he bathroom when necessary, so, since it -can't-
even guarantee that the IR tuner actually works properly anyway, the
absence of it shouldn't obviate the rest of the functionality! (I've
been recording my TV shows happily for over a YEAR with the Hauppage
WinTV application under XP, and I never even dug the IR Blaster
hardware out of the box until I tried to setup MCE on Vista tonight! --
-obviously then-, it's functionality is entirely superfluous to my
needs!)

Furthermore, as I alluded to above, even if MCE says it MUST HAVE this
hardware, it -still- can't guarantee that everything's going to work
flawlessly: It has no ability, for example, to determine if the IR LED
is pointed in the correct fashion, or if the cat ate it, or any other
problem that could potentially ocurr. All it can do is send the signal
and -assume- that meant something happened, but since it has no means
to detect the result, it's more or less just hoping that it works.
Here's another one: To do it's job, the MCE computer requires that both
the STB and the computer have power. As such, why isn't MCE operation
prevented unless the owner has an MS-MCE-Approved UPS/Generator
connected to these devices? As rediculous as it sounds, it's -exactly-
as silly as -requiring- the MCE IR hardware! Oh! -- and if the
weather's bad out, it might prevent MCE from being able to record a
program off my satellite TV, maybe -that- should also be a reason for
disabling MCE? (maybe they could write a wizard that checks the weather
channel website each day to see if it's an MS-MCE-Approved-Weather day
and enable/disable the functionality accordingly?)

Look, obviously the decision was made that it was okay for the user to
be responsible for ensuring adequate electricity and a host of other
things that are also necssary for successfully recording a TV program,
so maybe it really -is-, (also) okay if they sometimes have to be
responsible for changing the channel too?

In any event, I am still perplexed as to why, given all of these
things, ALL of MCE's tuner-based functionality is eliminated just
because one "bonus" function doesn't work? Surely if *I* (the customer)
can live with that limitation, that's all that really matters isn't it?

PS: As it turns out, my satellite receiver's remote is -*UHF*- based!
So even if I go out and drop US$35 on the MS-IR thingy (in complete
redundance to the Hauppage one I already have), it doesn't make a damn
bit of difference! (At least, not as far as getting MCE to perform the
job you're telling me that it -must- do.) So, given that condition, why
not at least let me -USE- the thing to the extent of which I actually
-CAN- use it? Essentially I'm saying I only need 70% of MCE's
tuner-based functionality and you're telling me that if I won't use
100%, then I can't have -any-. Which, I have to say, is a -very-
annoying thing to be told... (I say this because I remember feeling
that way about it ... you know, back in Grade 2? When someone else
playing in the sandbox would pack up all their toys and storm off if
they didn't get their own way? -- this feels a lot like that).


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(Msg. 38) Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:13 am
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Bleus wrote:
>> Media Center can't count on that to happen all the time.
> What I want to know, then, is, -Why should it even *care*??- I mean,
> at some point the user bears responsibility for his/her own actions.
> If the MCE PC can change the channels when it wants, then great! --
> but if it can't, so what? Let the user deal with that, but at least
> let them use the remaining functionality!!!
>
> Look, I agree that in a perfect world, it _is_ a -nicer- thing if MCE
> can change the channels for itself, but c'mon: It's not the computer's
> responsibility to ensure that I wake up in the morning, or that I eat
> 3x a day, or go to he bathroom when necessary, so, since it -can't-
> even guarantee that the IR tuner actually works properly anyway, the
> absence of it shouldn't obviate the rest of the functionality! (I've
> been recording my TV shows happily for over a YEAR with the Hauppage
> WinTV application under XP, and I never even dug the IR Blaster
> hardware out of the box until I tried to setup MCE on Vista tonight!
> -- -obviously then-, it's functionality is entirely superfluous to my
> needs!)
>
> Furthermore, as I alluded to above, even if MCE says it MUST HAVE this
> hardware, it -still- can't guarantee that everything's going to work
> flawlessly: It has no ability, for example, to determine if the IR LED
> is pointed in the correct fashion, or if the cat ate it, or any other
> problem that could potentially ocurr. All it can do is send the signal
> and -assume- that meant something happened, but since it has no means
> to detect the result, it's more or less just hoping that it works.
> Here's another one: To do it's job, the MCE computer requires that
> both the STB and the computer have power. As such, why isn't MCE
> operation prevented unless the owner has an MS-MCE-Approved
> UPS/Generator connected to these devices? As rediculous as it sounds,
> it's -exactly- as silly as -requiring- the MCE IR hardware! Oh! --
> and if the weather's bad out, it might prevent MCE from being able to
> record a program off my satellite TV, maybe -that- should also be a
> reason for disabling MCE? (maybe they could write a wizard that
> checks the weather channel website each day to see if it's an
> MS-MCE-Approved-Weather day and enable/disable the functionality
> accordingly?)
>
> Look, obviously the decision was made that it was okay for the user to
> be responsible for ensuring adequate electricity and a host of other
> things that are also necssary for successfully recording a TV program,
> so maybe it really -is-, (also) okay if they sometimes have to be
> responsible for changing the channel too?
>
> In any event, I am still perplexed as to why, given all of these
> things, ALL of MCE's tuner-based functionality is eliminated just
> because one "bonus" function doesn't work? Surely if *I* (the
> customer) can live with that limitation, that's all that really
> matters isn't it?
>
> PS: As it turns out, my satellite receiver's remote is -*UHF*- based!
> So even if I go out and drop US$35 on the MS-IR thingy (in complete
> redundance to the Hauppage one I already have), it doesn't make a damn
> bit of difference! (At least, not as far as getting MCE to perform the
> job you're telling me that it -must- do.) So, given that condition,
> why not at least let me -USE- the thing to the extent of which I
> actually -CAN- use it? Essentially I'm saying I only need 70% of MCE's
> tuner-based functionality and you're telling me that if I won't use
> 100%, then I can't have -any-. Which, I have to say, is a -very-
> annoying thing to be told... (I say this because I remember feeling
> that way about it ... you know, back in Grade 2? When someone else
> playing in the sandbox would pack up all their toys and storm off if
> they didn't get their own way? -- this feels a lot like that).

The quick answer to this is that MCE is to a commercial PVR program as
Windows Write is to Word. If you want more features than it has then
you have to buy something else.

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(Msg. 39) Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:59 am
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> If you want more features than it has then you have to buy something
> else.
*-ROFLMAO-* -- I'm not asking for -more- features, I'm asking for
-less-!!! -- All I want is to have -enforced- IR functionality
_removed_. G'head and leave it in as an optional "bonus", extra
feature, but don't make it mandatory, b/c there's absolutely no reason
on earth that it be a -required- feature. As I've tried to demonstrate,
MCE can work and work well without changing my STB's channels, so all
I'm asking is to be allowed to use it that way!

*sigh*

PS: Since your statement indicates that you didn't read my entire post
(i.e. The sentence that includes the phrase: "I only need 70% of MCE's
tuner-based functionality..." seems to make it reasonably clear that
I'm asking for less functionality in MCE, not more), was it really
necessary to quote all of it back again verbatim in your post?


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(Msg. 40) Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:59 am
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I lot of users hoped that you restriction you don't want was going to be
removed in Vista MC however it was not, and there has never been a
workaround posted.

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>> If you want more features than it has then you have to buy something
>> else.
> *-ROFLMAO-* -- I'm not asking for -more- features, I'm asking for
> -less-!!! -- All I want is to have -enforced- IR functionality
> _removed_. G'head and leave it in as an optional "bonus", extra
> feature, but don't make it mandatory, b/c there's absolutely no reason
> on earth that it be a -required- feature. As I've tried to demonstrate,
> MCE can work and work well without changing my STB's channels, so all
> I'm asking is to be allowed to use it that way!
>
> *sigh*
>
> PS: Since your statement indicates that you didn't read my entire post
> (i.e. The sentence that includes the phrase: "I only need 70% of MCE's
> tuner-based functionality..." seems to make it reasonably clear that
> I'm asking for less functionality in MCE, not more), was it really
> necessary to quote all of it back again verbatim in your post?
>
>
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:45 pm
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Bleus wrote:
>> If you want more features than it has then you have to buy something
>> else.
> *-ROFLMAO-* -- I'm not asking for -more- features, I'm asking for
> -less-!!! -- All I want is to have -enforced- IR functionality
> _removed_. G'head and leave it in as an optional "bonus", extra
> feature, but don't make it mandatory, b/c there's absolutely no reason
> on earth that it be a -required- feature. As I've tried to
> demonstrate, MCE can work and work well without changing my STB's
> channels, so all I'm asking is to be allowed to use it that way!
>
> *sigh*
>
> PS: Since your statement indicates that you didn't read my entire post
> (i.e. The sentence that includes the phrase: "I only need 70% of MCE's
> tuner-based functionality..." seems to make it reasonably clear that
> I'm asking for less functionality in MCE, not more), was it really
> necessary to quote all of it back again verbatim in your post?

Look, the bottom line is that you either pay for the remote or pay more
for software that doesn't require that you have it. If you don't like
that, well, you have now learned the important lesson that life is
unfair.

Perhaps you would be happier with MythTV.

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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:32 am
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Nawp, I gave up on it; took apart my WHS and re-installed XP w/ the
Hauppage software that came with the card in the first place. It's a
totally retarded thing they've done there, and if they're unwilling to
acknowledge that, then I guess it's TFB; In the meantime, I'll just
keep using the software that came with the tuner card... At least just
HAVING MCE on the Vista machine means I can use my 360's MCExtender
(although without the video functions).


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(Msg. 43) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:06 am
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The *Answer*

Go back in to Windows Media Center setup

Select: Tasks -> Settings -> TV -> Setup TV Signal

Answer YES to popup questions - are you sure??

Continue normally through TV Signal Setup *UNTIL:*


Select -> *I WILL MANUALLY CONFIGURE MY TV SIGNAL*

Select -> *ANTENNA* - I dont care what you are plugged in to

Select -> *ANALOG-ONLY ANTENNA* - I dont care what you are plugged in
to

Select -> RETURN TO TV SETTINGS - unless you really want Guide Listings


Select -> FINISH

SORRY - You have now by-passed the IR control device. you have to use a
*cable input* and not a S-Video or composite input

But IT WORKS

Cheers from the Cisco Production Support Team


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(Msg. 44) Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:13 am
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On Wed, 9 May 2007 06:28:17 +0530, Sangoma <Sangoma.2qakro DeleteThis @DoNotSpam.com> wrote:

>Media Center is not just a PVR. It is also a DVD player. It has a
>button called 'Live TV'. That is not necessarily a recorder function
>(otherwise, why call it 'live').

The Live TV _is_ recorded. It's actually a coupel of seconds behind real time. This allows the trick
play features like Pause/Rewind Live TV.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:28 am
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I don't understand - the community is saying they don't want to have to
use the IR - they are happy to do it themselves. The customer has
spoken?

What if I have a VCR connected to my composite input - now I can't use
Media Center? Ridiculous!

Media Center is not just a PVR. It is also a DVD player. It has a
button called 'Live TV'. That is not necessarily a recorder function
(otherwise, why call it 'live').

Right now I'm using a cable connection, as suggested.

Daft!


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