Intergrated Graphics or Video Card??????

FX5200 is a cheap slow card, Heck the Ti4200 was worlds better.

Linus 17 wrote:

> This is what I have:
>
> HP Pavilion 763n
> Windows XP HOME
> Intel P-4 @2.53GHz
> 1GB RAM
> GeoForce FX 5200 Card
> 160GB HD
> 3 External HD's = 1 TB
>
> And THIS is the so-called "Intergrated Graphics":
>
> Intel (R) 82845G/GL/PE/GV Graphics Controller
>
> Is this TRULY what it says? And can I replace/upgrade it. Sure, my computer
> recognizes my nVidia GeoForce card, but for some reason, it just doesn't seem
> much better.
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Intergrated Graphics or Video Card?????? 

A better card? Any suggestions?

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> The integrated means just that, it is part of the motherboard and can
> not be replaced or upgraded other than drivers.
> You FX 52 00 is an older card.
> If you want better video, get a newer larger video card.
>
> Right now, your video card is the weakest link.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Linus 17" <Linus17.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5FA2C0B4-38C6-4612-AFB3-F42D0E27CF8C@microsoft.com...
> > This is what I have:
> >
> > HP Pavilion 763n
> > Windows XP HOME
> > Intel P-4 @2.53GHz
> > 1GB RAM
> > GeoForce FX 5200 Card
> > 160GB HD
> > 3 External HD's = 1 TB
> >
> > And THIS is the so-called "Intergrated Graphics":
> >
> > Intel (R) 82845G/GL/PE/GV Graphics Controller
> >
> > Is this TRULY what it says? And can I replace/upgrade it. Sure, my
> > computer
> > recognizes my nVidia GeoForce card, but for some reason, it just
> > doesn't seem
> > much better.
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Intergrated Graphics or Video Card?????? 

Linus 17 wrote:
> This is what I have:
>
> HP Pavilion 763n
> Windows XP HOME
> Intel P-4 @2.53GHz
> 1GB RAM
> GeoForce FX 5200 Card
> 160GB HD
> 3 External HD's = 1 TB
>
> And THIS is the so-called "Intergrated Graphics":
>
> Intel (R) 82845G/GL/PE/GV Graphics Controller
>
> Is this TRULY what it says? And can I replace/upgrade it. Sure, my computer
> recognizes my nVidia GeoForce card, but for some reason, it just doesn't seem
> much better.
>
>

What kind of result do you get in 3DMark2001 SE ?
You can download the benchmark here. Click the Benchmark button.

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=99

Another test, is to go to Start:Run and type dxdiag in the box.
When dxdiag is running, check the Display tab. It will
show whether DirectDraw, Direct3D, and AGP Texture acceleration
are enabled or not.

To install a video card, you need:

1) Chipset drivers - look in Device Manager for an AGP entry as a result.
(Under System Devices, mine lists "Processor to AGP Controller")
2) DirectX from Microsoft. Current version is DirectX 9c or so.
A certain minimum version would be needed to run 3DMark2001.
3) Nvidia graphics card drivers, named Detonator or Forceware,
depending on vintage.

Always uninstall the previous video device drivers, before installing
the new card drivers. In your case, you'd be removing the Intel chipset
graphics driver, to be replaced by a driver for the Nvidia card.

Without a graphics card driver, certain video card operations will
not be accelerated.

HTH,
Paul
 >> Stay informed about: Intergrated Graphics or Video Card?????? 

The Geforce 5200 is the lowest-end DirectX9 card that nVidia makes, as far
as I know. It is in addition to the graphics that are built-in to your
motherboard.

You could replace the 5200. The 763n has an AGP 4X graphics slot. I think
that most of the newer AGP 8X cards would be backwards-compatible with it.

Don't get a PCI-Express graphics card. That's completely different from PCI,
and not compatible with your system.

I'm not sure what to recommend as a replacement. If you go to
www.newegg.com, use the "power search" function under video cards. Select
AGP 4X/8X, and DirectX9. You'll get a large range in price. I think that the
most powerful cards that are compatible with your system might be the Radeon
X1950 Pro cards. I'm not sure that I'd suggest spending $150-$200 on an
upgrade for your system. You also would not buy an AGP card in the
expectation of moving it to a new future system.

HTH.

Return address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.

"Linus 17" <Linus17 DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5FA2C0B4-38C6-4612-AFB3-F42D0E27CF8C@microsoft.com...
> This is what I have:
>
> HP Pavilion 763n
> Windows XP HOME
> Intel P-4 @2.53GHz
> 1GB RAM
> GeoForce FX 5200 Card
> 160GB HD
> 3 External HD's = 1 TB
>
> And THIS is the so-called "Intergrated Graphics":
>
> Intel (R) 82845G/GL/PE/GV Graphics Controller
>
> Is this TRULY what it says? And can I replace/upgrade it. Sure, my
> computer
> recognizes my nVidia GeoForce card, but for some reason, it just doesn't
> seem
> much better.
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Intergrated Graphics or Video Card?????? 

That might depend on what you expect / or want to run.


"Linus 17" <Linus17.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:83A06996-ABEA-490B-A85A-D485CF764A48@microsoft.com...
>A better card? Any suggestions?
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> The integrated means just that, it is part of the motherboard and can
>> not be replaced or upgraded other than drivers.
>> You FX 52 00 is an older card.
>> If you want better video, get a newer larger video card.
>>
>> Right now, your video card is the weakest link.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Linus 17" <Linus17.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:5FA2C0B4-38C6-4612-AFB3-F42D0E27CF8C@microsoft.com...
>> > This is what I have:
>> >
>> > HP Pavilion 763n
>> > Windows XP HOME
>> > Intel P-4 @2.53GHz
>> > 1GB RAM
>> > GeoForce FX 5200 Card
>> > 160GB HD
>> > 3 External HD's = 1 TB
>> >
>> > And THIS is the so-called "Intergrated Graphics":
>> >
>> > Intel (R) 82845G/GL/PE/GV Graphics Controller
>> >
>> > Is this TRULY what it says? And can I replace/upgrade it. Sure, my
>> > computer
>> > recognizes my nVidia GeoForce card, but for some reason, it just
>> > doesn't seem
>> > much better.
>>
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Intergrated Graphics or Video Card?????? 

And may require an upgraded power supply as well.

"DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
news:%23SylMpEEIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> That might depend on what you expect / or want to run.
>
>
> "Linus 17" <Linus17 RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:83A06996-ABEA-490B-A85A-D485CF764A48@microsoft.com...
>>A better card? Any suggestions?
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>>
>>> The integrated means just that, it is part of the motherboard and can
>>> not be replaced or upgraded other than drivers.
>>> You FX 52 00 is an older card.
>>> If you want better video, get a newer larger video card.
>>>
>>> Right now, your video card is the weakest link.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "Linus 17" <Linus17 RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5FA2C0B4-38C6-4612-AFB3-F42D0E27CF8C@microsoft.com...
>>> > This is what I have:
>>> >
>>> > HP Pavilion 763n
>>> > Windows XP HOME
>>> > Intel P-4 @2.53GHz
>>> > 1GB RAM
>>> > GeoForce FX 5200 Card
>>> > 160GB HD
>>> > 3 External HD's = 1 TB
>>> >
>>> > And THIS is the so-called "Intergrated Graphics":
>>> >
>>> > Intel (R) 82845G/GL/PE/GV Graphics Controller
>>> >
>>> > Is this TRULY what it says? And can I replace/upgrade it. Sure, my
>>> > computer
>>> > recognizes my nVidia GeoForce card, but for some reason, it just
>>> > doesn't seem
>>> > much better.
>>>
>>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Intergrated Graphics or Video Card?????? 

Thank you for your input. Before I get another computer, I shall heed your
words and continue my search. I have no REAL graphics problems, but my goal
is to attempt to "upgrade" my current computer as much as possible BEFORE I
buy another one to see if there is anything that I CAN reasonably upgrade to
the point where I am FORCED to purchase another one!

"Bob Knowlden" wrote:

> The Geforce 5200 is the lowest-end DirectX9 card that nVidia makes, as far
> as I know. It is in addition to the graphics that are built-in to your
> motherboard.
>
> You could replace the 5200. The 763n has an AGP 4X graphics slot. I think
> that most of the newer AGP 8X cards would be backwards-compatible with it.
>
> Don't get a PCI-Express graphics card. That's completely different from PCI,
> and not compatible with your system.
>
> I'm not sure what to recommend as a replacement. If you go to
> www.newegg.com, use the "power search" function under video cards. Select
> AGP 4X/8X, and DirectX9. You'll get a large range in price. I think that the
> most powerful cards that are compatible with your system might be the Radeon
> X1950 Pro cards. I'm not sure that I'd suggest spending $150-$200 on an
> upgrade for your system. You also would not buy an AGP card in the
> expectation of moving it to a new future system.
>
> HTH.
>
> Return address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.
>
> "Linus 17" <Linus17.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5FA2C0B4-38C6-4612-AFB3-F42D0E27CF8C@microsoft.com...
> > This is what I have:
> >
> > HP Pavilion 763n
> > Windows XP HOME
> > Intel P-4 @2.53GHz
> > 1GB RAM
> > GeoForce FX 5200 Card
> > 160GB HD
> > 3 External HD's = 1 TB
> >
> > And THIS is the so-called "Intergrated Graphics":
> >
> > Intel (R) 82845G/GL/PE/GV Graphics Controller
> >
> > Is this TRULY what it says? And can I replace/upgrade it. Sure, my
> > computer
> > recognizes my nVidia GeoForce card, but for some reason, it just doesn't
> > seem
> > much better.
> >
> >
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Intergrated Graphics or Video Card?????? 

Yep. It turns out that my FX 5200 card REPLACED my old MX 4400!! I used a PNY
card, which was actually a PCI-E card!! it works fine, and I have no
complaints.

However... have I tapped out with this computer? Should I upgrade to ANOTHER
card, or... is it time to buy a new computer?

"Bob Knowlden" wrote:

> The Geforce 5200 is the lowest-end DirectX9 card that nVidia makes, as far
> as I know. It is in addition to the graphics that are built-in to your
> motherboard.
>
> You could replace the 5200. The 763n has an AGP 4X graphics slot. I think
> that most of the newer AGP 8X cards would be backwards-compatible with it.
>
> Don't get a PCI-Express graphics card. That's completely different from PCI,
> and not compatible with your system.
>
> I'm not sure what to recommend as a replacement. If you go to
> www.newegg.com, use the "power search" function under video cards. Select
> AGP 4X/8X, and DirectX9. You'll get a large range in price. I think that the
> most powerful cards that are compatible with your system might be the Radeon
> X1950 Pro cards. I'm not sure that I'd suggest spending $150-$200 on an
> upgrade for your system. You also would not buy an AGP card in the
> expectation of moving it to a new future system.
>
> HTH.
>
> Return address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.
>
> "Linus 17" <Linus17 DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5FA2C0B4-38C6-4612-AFB3-F42D0E27CF8C@microsoft.com...
> > This is what I have:
> >
> > HP Pavilion 763n
> > Windows XP HOME
> > Intel P-4 @2.53GHz
> > 1GB RAM
> > GeoForce FX 5200 Card
> > 160GB HD
> > 3 External HD's = 1 TB
> >
> > And THIS is the so-called "Intergrated Graphics":
> >
> > Intel (R) 82845G/GL/PE/GV Graphics Controller
> >
> > Is this TRULY what it says? And can I replace/upgrade it. Sure, my
> > computer
> > recognizes my nVidia GeoForce card, but for some reason, it just doesn't
> > seem
> > much better.
> >
> >
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Intergrated Graphics or Video Card?????? 

I'm at a loss to understand how you could have used a PCI-Express card with
your system, as it has no PCI-E slots. (The Pavilion 763n has 3 PCI slots.
PCI-E is completely different, and physically incompatible; you simply can't
plug a PCI-E card into a PCI slot. If you want to get seriously confused,
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pci-e .)

The best-performing cards for your 763n would use the AGP slot. I doubt that
spending serious money on an AGP card makes a lot of sense at this time.

"Linus 17" <Linus17 DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4C1D876B-C925-427D-8481-75321F4DDA25@microsoft.com...
> Yep. It turns out that my FX 5200 card REPLACED my old MX 4400!! I used a
> PNY
> card, which was actually a PCI-E card!! it works fine, and I have no
> complaints.
>
> However... have I tapped out with this computer? Should I upgrade to
> ANOTHER
> card, or... is it time to buy a new computer?
>
> "Bob Knowlden" wrote:
>
>> The Geforce 5200 is the lowest-end DirectX9 card that nVidia makes, as
>> far
>> as I know. It is in addition to the graphics that are built-in to your
>> motherboard.
>>
>> You could replace the 5200. The 763n has an AGP 4X graphics slot. I think
>> that most of the newer AGP 8X cards would be backwards-compatible with
>> it.
>>
>> Don't get a PCI-Express graphics card. That's completely different from
>> PCI,
>> and not compatible with your system.
>>
>> I'm not sure what to recommend as a replacement. If you go to
>> www.newegg.com, use the "power search" function under video cards. Select
>> AGP 4X/8X, and DirectX9. You'll get a large range in price. I think that
>> the
>> most powerful cards that are compatible with your system might be the
>> Radeon
>> X1950 Pro cards. I'm not sure that I'd suggest spending $150-$200 on an
>> upgrade for your system. You also would not buy an AGP card in the
>> expectation of moving it to a new future system.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Return address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.
>>
>> "Linus 17" <Linus17 DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:5FA2C0B4-38C6-4612-AFB3-F42D0E27CF8C@microsoft.com...
>> > This is what I have:
>> >
>> > HP Pavilion 763n
>> > Windows XP HOME
>> > Intel P-4 @2.53GHz
>> > 1GB RAM
>> > GeoForce FX 5200 Card
>> > 160GB HD
>> > 3 External HD's = 1 TB
>> >
>> > And THIS is the so-called "Intergrated Graphics":
>> >
>> > Intel (R) 82845G/GL/PE/GV Graphics Controller
>> >
>> > Is this TRULY what it says? And can I replace/upgrade it. Sure, my
>> > computer
>> > recognizes my nVidia GeoForce card, but for some reason, it just
>> > doesn't
>> > seem
>> > much better.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Intergrated Graphics or Video Card??????